aJ the Zen Master remarked
Nice list!
Christopher, You are a good teacher 
And you are lucky that Christine learnt all this stuff.
Christine, I wish I had someone like that, who understood and learnt about me so easily 
Christine the Lioness penned this
LOL… I don’t think Christopher would agree that it was easy… I’m a seriously thick-headed girl (lucky for me I have big boobs
) but I am in a very different place than I was 16 months ago when I met Christopher– in many ways… and in all honesty, yes… Christopher is a great teacher. 
Christopher the Pyro quibbed this
If I was a good teacher, it probably wouldn’t have taken 16 months to teach her half this shit.. and she still forgets a few of these lessons quite often. 
Christine the Lioness chimed in with
*sigh* Even when I praise him, I still can’t win…
Christopher the Pyro commented
Well your still trying to convince people you didn’t stab me.. so it’s not like your post was an honest one.
Christine the Lioness got all philosophical
The reason the stabbing thing is so believable, Christopher… is not because they think I’m crazy… but because they can all relate to wanting to stab you themselves…
The fact that I HAVEN’T actually STABBED YOU probably implies that I am indeed a little insane… anyone in their right mind would have committed full-on homicide if they’d gone through what I have with you.
Christopher the Pyro spake, and sayeth
OMG. If these people ONLY knew the truth.. I need to start keeping a chronological history if craziness.
I’m not sure if it would quality as craziness tho.. if your normal behavior is crazy.. then does that qualify as insanity?
Ben the Kingpin thought this
On the debt thing, let me tell you… 
http://harshrealities.info/ben/?p=211
We paid off all our credit cards! 
Christopher the Pyro got all philosophical
Ben,
Congrats on paying off your credit cards.. it’s tough to do! I know at one point in my life I had a lot of cc dept… I was very happy when I payed it off.. then I replaced it with an expensive woman. 
Christine the Lioness stated
I swear to God… he better not be talking about me. I’m about as far from expensive as they come… I think maybe his luxury car is expensive… and his rent in Redondo is kind of expensive… and his big screen t.v. and leather sofa are expensive… but I am far frome expensive. On second thought… if he’s not talking about me… then some other chick is getting the shit I should be getting. 
Christopher the Pyro got all philosophical
Maybe.. dinner at Y-Not is expensive.. remember I’m fucking cheap.. or at least Sugar thinks so. LOL
Ben the Kingpin penned this
I never did get the fascination with leather furniture…
…but, then, I’m really quite different as a consumer than most–and changing (for the better, I think) more and more each day!
Christopher the Pyro chimed in with
I hate my couch.. I just can’t afford to throw it away lol. It’s awful comfy tho.
katie the Mercenary added
ohhh i love tetris…..
Christine its not called high maintenance…its called being treated like the princess that all of us girls are haha 
Ben the Kingpin said this
I have to say, my wife is wonderful. She expects *nothing*–so I do my best to give her *everything*. 
It’s the girls that *expect* it that are “high maintenance” and the girls that don’t who are princesses. 
Christopher the Pyro asserted
Ben, that sounds about right to me. Christine isn’t a hard person to make happy… I think impossible is a better word then hard.
j/k Christine… she doesn’t expect much but that is because I was sure to set the bar very low.
Christine the Lioness mentioned
Why is it that there is an expectation for the “good” women to expect nothing? The truth is… women and men both need certain things… I do need to be kissed more than once every four months (literally… one time in four months) and I do need to be taken out to dinner more than once every six months– nothing fancy– just some place I can dress up beyond jeans. And I do need for the man in my life to hold my hand on occasion. I mean… if that’s impossible, then I don’t think you’re putting much effort in. And I’m not saying that certain other things aren’t nice… Christopher does really, really wonderful things for me all the time that I never ask for…
But let’s be realistic… if I refused to have sex with my husband and we hadn’t done it in several months… should I be pissed that he starts to look for that somewhere else? It’s completely reasonable that my husband would have the expectation that I would engage in a sexual relationship with him. I mean… we all have expectations in a relationship. It’s one of the criteria we use when deciding who we want to be with…
What a double standard, Ben… I’m actually surprised to hear that kind of comment come out of your mouth. I had pegged you differently.
Christopher the Pyro hunt n' pecked this
Ben, don’t take that as an insult she tells me that at least once on a weekly basis.
Christine the Lioness quibbed this
Who are trying to kid, Christopher… NOTHING you could possibly say surprises me anymore. 
Christopher the Pyro thought this
That is NOT true. When I’m sweet once a month.. it really does suprise you.. it’s written all over your face.. or maybe that is.. nevermind.
Christine the Lioness added
LOL!
Actually, when he says something really sweet (which, yes, is about once a month)… I stop, stare at him, squint, and try to figure out if he’s kidding or not.
Matt the Groupie hunt n' pecked this
No no no… Eurotrip is not a good film. Other than that..
Christine the Lioness said this
Matt… have a sense of humor… the opening “Scotty Doesn’t Know” sequence is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen… and if you’re all up in arms about the stereotypes of Europeans portrayed in the movie, then you need to just chill… there are plenty of American stereotypes as well. But you gotta be able to laugh at yourself. 
Christopher the Pyro mentioned
Maybe being a sophisticated european doesn’t allow a sense of humor.. 
Ben the Kingpin penned this
Christine, I think you misunderstood me.
My comment was universal–the same is true of men who are “selfish bastards” and those who are “attentive and gentlemen.” The secret is not to *expect* to be treated well.
What it boils down to is pride. Once you believe you are worthy of some specific behavior and you expect it to be done, you have elevated yourself (pridefully and selfishly) above others.
My wife and I have a great and wonderful relationship. She doesn’t expect certain behaviors–yet I give them willingly. By the same token, I don’t expect certain behaviors–yet she gives them willingly.
Not expecting someone to bring you a cold drink when you’re working hard and then finding that they have done it–out of the kindness of their heart because they were attentive to your desires and needs–is the secret. If I had expected a cold drink and she brought it, there is nothing special happening–because I expect it–and if she didn’t? Well, then she didn’t live up to my expectations, did she?
So, bottom line: The less you expect, the easier you are to please and the more highly others will think of you and, therefore, be more willing to do those things that you don’t expect.
…whether they are male or female…
Ben the Kingpin commented
…As far as the sex thing, I firmly believe what the Bible teaches on this matter: the body of the woman belongs to her husband and the body of the man belongs to his wife. They are told “not to defraud one another” and even when fasting to agree to be apart “only for a time” and that the amount of time by mutual agreement.
And yes, Christine, I can completely assure you that the best way to keep your man from “wandering” is to keep his internal resevoir as close to zero as you can manage. 
There are hormonal changes in a man when that resevoir fills up and if you’re not willing to do the emptying, he’s going to find someone else to help him out…
(I am speaking on a very generic and very basic level, I’m not suggesting that the answer to any kind of relationship problem is sex. Rather, that a solid, communicative, open, loving, sexual relationship between two lovers works best when all the needs are met by one another and there is no reason to look elsewhere for fulfillment.)
Katie the Mercenary quibbed this
ben..i agree people who do not expect things are easier to please…my fiancee and I are like that and it makes things so much easier. We do the lil things like a note in his suitcase when he travels for work, the unexpected voicemail or call to say I love you… thats what I think makes it work…. ya know!?!
Christine the Lioness remarked
I understand what you’re both saying… and yes, to expect anything from Christopher would surely just lead to disappointment (just kidding… he actually does a lot for me and he knows it)… but the problem is… when you don’t expect to be treated well, then you settle for a guy (or girl) who doesn’t treat you well. One of my best friends had really no expectations from her husband and he ended up abusing her and finally they got a divorce. At the same token, I’ve seen some girls I know just walk all over their guys and the guys just take it because they don’t expect her to treat them with respect. And that just annoys me that they are willing to put up with being treated like that. The truth is… people will treat you the way you portray you deserve to be treated. If you say certain things aren’t acceptable… like “I will never stay with a guy who hits me,” then you are setting the standard and the guy you’re with knows that’s not acceptable… or he tries to make it acceptable and you leave. I’m not talking about sweet little things and stuff like that… those are wonderful surprises… but everyone should have enough self-esteem to expect to be treated respectfully and in a way that shows they are cared about.
And Ben… btw… a guy doesn’t need to “find someone else to help him” empty the reservoir… from the boys I’ve known… they’re pretty good at helping themselves do that… 
Ben the Kingpin commented
Settling and having no expectations are apples and oranges.
Settling is done more, in my opinion, by those who have an overabundance of expectations–which no one could ever match.
As for emptying the resevoir, surely, Christine, you are aware that it’s a lot more interesting and fun to have someone help out–while you’re helping the, presumably–than to do it all by your lonesome. 
Katie the Mercenary thought this
Christine I agree… i just meant as far as like “extras” i guess you would call them… i dont expect them so when i do get them its a pleasant surprise
Ben the Kingpin quibbed this
…just as long as an orgasm is not considered “an extra”. 
Christine the Lioness got all philosophical
Ben, you crack me up.
Okay… I think we’re all on the same page… LOL!
Ben the Kingpin commented
In all seriousness, there are some women who don’t like to “pop” every time. They like to have a couple times in-between to build and then have a “pop” every 3rd or 4th day.
This baffles me, as a man. Completely baffles me. But, mine is not to reason why, mine is but to do… 
Christopher the Pyro thought this
Christine defininty believes her body belongs to me.. God… I’ve got to get thread comments in how did I miss out on this thread for so long.. (this was refering to comment #26)
Christopher the Pyro commented
I can’t believe Christine used her best friend as an example of a woman who set the bar too low.. I don’t want to critize someone I’ve never meant but judging from the stories Christine has told me, this isn’t a woman we should use an example.
Ben, Christine is not one of those women who likes to wait 3 or 4 days lol
Ben the Kingpin up'n wrote this
Chris,
My wife was. Since she reached her mid-thirties, however, things have changed. My, oh my, how they have changed! 
(I need a “woohoo!” smiley.
)
Christopher the Pyro hunt n' pecked this
lol.. I’ll get right on adding some new smiles for u guys… that is a good coding project.
Christine the Lioness hunt n' pecked this
That implies Ben and his wife are having sex more than every three or four days? I get laid about once every three months… and yes, when I finally get some, I like it to pop! 
Ben the Kingpin mentioned
Christine, we average about 2-3 nights a week, 3-4 “times” a week. We’ve been married for 17 years (since we were both 20) and are more in love today than ever before.
Sometimes our encounters are more of a “man, what a day, I need relief…” Sometimes we just crash into each other. Sometimes we make very special appointments.
Sometimes we wake up in the middle of the night, move the kids to the futon and enjoy as quietly as we can.
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Christine the Lioness uttered
Nice. Very nice. Except for that whole moving the kids to the futon thing… (not that it’s an issue to boot ‘em out, but more that they are sleeping with you to begin with. I don’t care what kind of race car/Barbie/space ship/Harry Potter bed I need to get my kids so they’ll stay in their own room, but they ain’t sleeping with me… that will be time for just me and hubby ;-)).
Ben the Kingpin penned this
We have more fun in our bedroom, playing games, snuggling, tickling, laughing, wrestling. To help prolong the fun, we put a futon in our bedroom–it’s an “unofficial” place for the kids to sleep when they want to be close to us. It’s also a great place for a sick little one to rest so that we’re not completely disrupted (and I can make it to work the next day without sleeping next to a sick kid) while also keeping the little one nearby.
I used to have all sorts of ideas on the rules about what could happen in my bedroom. My own parent’s bedroom was the “no man’s land” of the house. They went in. No one else did. We stood at the doorway and talked to them if they were in there.
I wanted my bedroom to be “sacred” like that with my kids. What I found, however, was a different form of sacred relationship–one that included them coming into the room, waking us up on Christmas mornings, snuggling with us until we’re all too sleepy to move them upstairs.
Essentially, all your ideas get changed when you look into the eyes of your child, who adores every moment of time spent with you and wants to be who you are when they grow up.
Christine 2 the Mercenary asserted
wow…that was so sweet that i want kids now
Christine the Lioness mentioned
I agree… how sweet! I’m sure that a lot of the “rules” I have in my head about being a good mom will probably change when I actually have one… in all honesty, it was hard for me to say no to my cat… I can’t imagine how hard it will be with kids!
8->
Ben the Kingpin scribbled
We were married at 20. By 26 I was still not wanting to have any children–but my wife was getting desperate. It was not until my first born was 3 months old that the realization of how much I loved her struck me. Since that moment, my perspectives have completely changed.
I cannot express to you how much I love my children. They are, truly, what I live for. Our kids are spaced between 2 and 3 years apart, so every 2 - 3 years I get another love gift! 
Yes, I’ve had to make certain sacrifices in my life–but that makes their inclusion all the sweeter. They have been well worth the “investment.”