Income Delusions

Posted on June 13th, 2007 by Christine.
Categories: Current Events & Politics.

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So for the past few weeks, Christopher’s been saddled with the task of having to hire some new admin employees at his work– some are needed to do basic secretarial work and some need to do a little more (have knowledge of Quickbooks, be able to handle sales, etc). Interestingly enough, several of the people who came in to interview for the position offered at $10.00 per hour (the most basic positions) told Christopher that they felt they should be making $16.00 an hour and tried to negotiate a higher wage. Now what’s even more interesting is that the job offered didn’t require anything beyond a high school diploma– which is the highest education these candidates had received– and the job was described as basic admin duties (answering phones, faxing, sending out invoices, etc).

I can certainly understand wanting to make as much money as possible and having only one real chance to negotiate that when you get hired, but I’ve also been in positions where I had to do the hiring, and the truth is… you get paid for the job you do. If you’ve spent years in grad school to become specialized in a field that very few other people are, you deserve more money. If you’re applying for a job that takes little or no skill, and almost any warm body could do it, you don’t deserve more money. It has nothing to do with how wonderful of a person you are or what kind of potential you have. That will be recognized later and rewarded with merit raises or promotions. But after hearing what some of the candidates told Christopher, they obviously don’t get it.

So today, Christopher sent me a link he found on moneycentral (titled “Why Your Kids Expect to be Rich”) which reports the results of a survey of 1,000 kids from a variety of socio-economic backgrounds and how much they expected to make as adults:

73% believed they would earn “plenty of money” when they were adults.

Teenage boys expected to make an average $174,000 annually. Teenage girls expected to earn $114,200. (I’ve always said girls are slightly more realistic -) but these figures are completely out of whack. In the U.S., according to the Census Bureau’s 2005 findings, the median income of males working full time, year round, was $41,386. Women working full time earned an average of $31,858.

Aside from the fact that the teenagers’ projections were about 4 times too high, the reality is that fewer than 5% of both men and women in the U.S. pull more than $100,000 a year and only 20% of U.S. households earn a combined income reaching six figures. Now keep in mind, those numbers include high-income occupations like business owners, doctors, lawyers, etc.

While you’d expect that maybe teens would think they could land those kinds of salaries by becoming some sort of celebrity (whether in music, movies, or sports), those jobs ranked around number 10 in a list of 20 most sought after careers.

Now, not to dis on teens. It really is difficult to have a grasp on what things cost when you’ve never been in a position to have to pay your own rent, buy your own groceries, choose your own car insurance deductibles and premiums. You get a much better sense of that once you get a job and start actually paying for things and realizing that the reality is you can’t simply buy everything you want on whatever paycheck comes.

But from Christopher’s experience, obviously adults don’t have much of a concept of their earning power as well. I remember graduating from college with a degree and starting at a temp agency for only $8.00 per hour. I didn’t complain, I just did my work and eventually moved up to $13.00 an hour. It took me over ten years of busting my butt to get to where I’m at now. I never expected to make more than the job offered because I somehow deserved more.

So perhaps this goes to this overwhelming sense of entitlement people tend to have that makes me absolutely nuts. Or perhaps it says something about our education system and the fact that maybe they aren’t teaching the real-world skills kids who aren’t going to college need to understand. Maybe this delusion of how much one will earn is actually keeping kids from working toward going to college– If you’re going to earn “plenty of money” anyway, why waste four years getting a degree?

I suppose they’ll figure it out real quick when no one that’s interviewed them calls them back for a job. I just hope those aren’t the people that are turning down the only jobs they’re qualified for and applying for social services and unemployment because they’re “holding out” for something better– something they feel they deserve.

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Aivar the Groupie up'n wrote this

LMAO first of all fuck you because i earn less than 4$ per hour busting my ass off 9 hours a day, waking up at 5am to get to work on time and then some days work till 1am and get home at 3am…. Actually what i earn is around the average wage and i have yet to graduate gymnasium (will on the 20th and gymnasium is like High School for you Americans) anyway so umm yeah i feel like smacking someone who is just a high school graduate and would whine about only 10$ per hour o ).

Will you marry me so i can get a citizenship? p

Most people are like that everywhere, kids expect to earn more than they would in every country but i guess not like 3 times more than the average wage o . There are rational people but most really are idiots and think too much of themselves (more than half the world by what I have seen so far)

Will giving 100% at work pay off? I’m not the kind of person that brags about themselves or really gets noticed and im quite quiet though i try to be more talkative… and well I’m scared I’ll have to stay at some shitty job for the rest of my life. I have noticed that the ones with connections or who take advantage of others and are very good at socializing usually get ahead in life and well im also way too nice for my own good…

Oh and i work at a bloody handcarwash and its nothing like what i have seen in the American movies D its hard work and you have to be fast and theres a big chance you can break stuff and then youll have to pay for it (i know guys how have lost their entire months income) i have got chemical burns and rashes and gut knows what from all the stuff there anyway umm the point is that i would kill for an office job or anything easier even if i earned as much as i do right now…

sorry for all the ranting ill stop now p

June 13th, 2007

John Left the Virgin asserted

Thanks for a timely & insightful post. Lord, these kids are delusional. I could write a short book about all the slackers I’ve encountered on the job. The most recent (he’s age 17) quit last week after a 6-month stint, most of which he spent standing around, sucking air and hitting on every female within shouting distance. When he actually showed up, that is. Why’d he quit? He said he got sick of “taking so much shit” on the job—i.e., the boss finally got fed up and told him to get off his duff and earn his pay.

Love your blog; keep up the great writing!

June 13th, 2007

Christine the Lioness added

LOL, John, I could tell a few stories of my own about kids AND adults who do the exact same thing. I may have mentioned this story before, but my mom actually had to supervise an employee who would clock in then leave to go to breakfast with her friends. When my mom told her she couldn’t do that anymore, she went out on stress leave and filed a lawsuit against the university where my mom works. I guess being told you actually have to sit at your desk while you’re clocked in was too stressful and put her over the edge. Another woman I knew who was an assistant to a producer I’ve done some work for used to sit at her desk (which was in full view of everyone in the reception area) and chat with her friends and play online video games. Every time the producer would ask her to do something, she would respond (in front of other people like myself) that it wasn’t really her job to do that. And it was assistant type things like– ordering him lunc and stuff. Anyway, she quit because the work was so taxing… and when I asked her where she was going to go work, she said she’d found a job with another producer who traveled 8 months out of the year so he wouldn’t be around so much to bug her. Now… this woman was in her 30s. I’ve had jobs where there’s not enough to do and it’s boring and awful. I couldn’t understand why she wouldn’t just do a good job and get promoted to a position where she actually had some responsibility and people took her input seriously. Anyway… to each his own I guess.

Aivar… it’s hard to compare countries because the cost of living is so different in different parts of the world… and you’re always welcome to come to our site to rant if you want. -) And by all means, if you should decide to come here illegally, there’s a very remote chance that even if you’re caught, you’ll get deported. I suggest you take one of the southern routes through Mexico.

Seriously though… I think working hard does pay off. There are so many people that are such slackers and complainers that simply working hard and acting like you give a crap that your work is half-way decent sets you apart from the rest. I remember when I was 16 years old, my first job was working for a fast food restaurant. By the time I was 17, I’d already been promoted above a lot of other people who’d been there a long time to a “shift Manger.” They were all pissed off about how unfair it was, but then again every time they were asked to do anything, they deemed it unfair. Getting along with other people and talking is great… but the reality is… the only person that needs to like you is your boss. Don’t be a total bastard, but keep in mind (as I do) you’re not going to your job to make friends. You go to your job to make money, so every decision you make regarding how you act and what you do at that job should get you closer to making more money.

I know not everyone would agree with that, but there really is some validity to keeping on top of why you are doing what you’re doing and what’s the most valuable way to go about it. And also, if you look at it that way– like all the shit you deal with at your job is just part of successfully implementing this overall strategy to make you wealthier than you are now, the shit doesn’t seem to get you down as much because you don’t take things personally. IMHO.

June 13th, 2007

Ivy the Soldier up'n wrote this

Kids are delusional! My 8 year old thinks money grows on trees and that her daddy is a millionaire.. She also thinks if there are checks in my wallet then there is money to be spent.. Yet she only sees me write checks for bills.. My 4 year old the other day asked me to take her to eat.. i told her I was broke. She said oh but we can just drive by that lil thing you drive by and it will give you money.. meaning the atm machine.. Um yeah sweetie.. I wish.. They carry those delusions into teenage years.. Only their demands become way more expensive. And they thinkb ecause money grows on trees that they will just make a hundred thousand+ easy.. most have no clue what the real world is like and paying bills and working in the real world.. I started working at 11 years old.. I paid for my own things.. I started off making 2 dollars an hour.. oye!
I worked until I had kids.. I had such delusions even then when I was making min wage and even 50 cents more than min wage of what money was. Even when I was living on my own I was still delusional. It wasnt until I had kids and saw the ration of money spent to money earned that I realized what it was really about!

June 13th, 2007

ProphetJoe the Irreverent said this

As background, let me tell you that I have worked on a farm (walking beans), worked in restaurants (everything except waiting tables), catering, managed care (health insurance), audio-visual technician, business manager of a textbook and trade publishing company, IT support, application development, web design, and University Admissions. In the past 30 months, I’ve sat on 7 search committees for the hiring of academic professional positions at a major University and I’ve chaired 5 of those search committees. Here is what I’ve learned:

1) In general, people have a warped sense of entitlement, whether it be in the form of government assistance or the circumstance of their employment — they expect to either succeed or be taken care of, depending on the situation.

2) Too many workers are not given precise training and performance expectations. They suffer from the “this is the way it’s always been done” mindset.

3) They don’t understand what an employees’ #1 employment priority should be.

Here are my answers to those points:

1) You’re entitled to very little in life, get over it. Life is not fair. In fact, it can be downright dirty and ugly at times. God helps those who help themselves. Better yourself and, well… you’ll be better for it!

2) I believe in praising my employees when they do well and being critical when they don’t. They are accountable for their job performance and I am accountable for the whole unit’s performance. That unit’s performance is only as good as the weakest link in the chain. Find that link and fix it or remove it. I will train my people. I will cross-train them. A trained employee is (generally) happier and more productive.

As a general rule with professional employees, I will work to develop their skills to the best of their abilities. At one time, I had 4 employees who had worked for me at this University who were subsequently hired and became my peers in the organizational structure — in short, I train my people to become my successors. I need to, because I will be moving up the ladder myself soon and I need competent people behind me. It doesn’t hurt if they have loyalty for you too -)

3) Your number 1 priority (and mine) is to make the boss look good. That’s true of every position in the organization. I should know what my boss wants within certain parameters and be able to act according to his/her wishes. When something outside of those parameters comes up, I don’t commit the boss to anything! I go to the boss, present the problem (challenge) and offer 2-3 viable solutions with my suggestions behind each, then I act according to the boss’s decision.

I work at the pleasure of the boss. If he/she doesn’t like me (for almost any reason) they are within their moral rights to severe the working relationship. Part of my priority is to make my continued employment so valuable to the boss that he/she can’t envision working without me on the team. I make my boss look good and when the boss is promoted, I usually get promoted too.

My two cents…

June 13th, 2007

Christine the Lioness asserted

I do think you can teach your kids that though. For example, when I was little, my mom would never buy me anything in a store. I received an allowance for doing stuff around the house and every time we went to a store and picked something up and asked her to buy it for me, her response was always the same. “Did you bring your money?” Once I considered having to use my hard-earned money to buy the toy, I usually realized that I didn’t want the toy that bad. And if I got home and still wanted it, and was willing to use my money to pay for it, she always took me back to the store so I could get it. Anyway… I think that taught me the value of things in relationship to working for them. So I definitely think it’s possible to learn it in age-appropriate ways so they’re not that clueless as teens.

June 13th, 2007

ProphetJoe the Irreverent pontificated

And if I got home and still wanted it, and was willing to use my money to pay for it, she always took me back to the store so I could get it.

That’s a liberal mom. Mine said, “you can wait until the next trip to town AND then be sure to bring your money” )

June 13th, 2007

Christine the Lioness added

All very good points, PJ. I can’t say there were any I’d disagree with.

June 13th, 2007

Christine the Lioness uttered

LOL, PJ! Well the truth was… there were very few things I really still wanted knowing I’d have to pay for them myself so she was safe with that offer most of the time. And Lord knows what she would’ve had to deal with if I ever waited because she wouldn’t take me back and the item was sold out… she was probably scared I’d decide to teach myself how to drive the car and go on my own. -)

June 13th, 2007

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