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Posted on April 21st, 2006 by Christopher.
Categories: Current Events & Politics.

What happens if a penny is worth more than one cent?

That is an issue the U.S. Mint could soon face if the price of metals keeps rising. Already it costs the mint well more than a cent to make a penny.
This week the cost of the metals in a penny rose above 0.8 cents, more than twice the value of last fall. Because the government spends at least another six-tenths of a cent above and beyond the cost of the metal to make each penny, it will lose nearly half a cent on each new one it mints.

Another real problem could come if metals prices rise so high that it would be economical to melt down pennies for the metals they contain. Think about this, basically it could become economical to actually MELT pennies down. I’ve been ponderng this a bit tonight, eventually the costs of the metals in pennies should rise above the 1 cent mark at which time you would be getting very high return on investment by just trading dollars into for pennies and melting them down. If the cost of the individual metals is 1.1 cents and you bought thos metals for 1 cent your making a 10% ROI. (OK, yes this is so over simplified it’s not even funny but it’s still an interesting dilema) ) .

Asked if the mint had a backup plan for what it will do if zinc prices rise far enough that it could pay to melt down pennies, a spokesman said that such issues were for Congress to decide. Perhaps the mint could go back to making steel pennies, as it did during World War II when copper was needed for the war effort. Personally I suspect they won’t do anything in the short term, the cost of changing over equipment and processes would be very expensive.. the only real solution would be to abolish the penny.

6 comments.

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Keith the Director scribbled

I guess it would make sense to go back to a steel penny I see no reason why they have to be copper when they are about worthless anyway. However if they abolish the penny altogether how is that going to affect the prices of certain things? Its going to raise everything so itcan be rounded out to 5 cents and we use nickles as base change!

April 22nd, 2006

aJ the Zen Master added

I doubt they can abolish pennies so easily. As Keith said, it will raise the prices of almost everything and that inturn will increase the inflation (I know, not enough factors into account and a very simplistic model).

In addition, in the long term, maybe steel pennies might turn out cheaper compared to the cost of the equipment replacement etc!

April 22nd, 2006

Christopher the Pyro remarked

Those are both good points. However evenutally the cost of steal could / should certainly rise above 1 cent if for no other reason then inflation. Your right the cost could go up on some things, however if the law was passed correctly and we rounded to the nearest 5 cents it should effect inflation. Ex// $19.96 rounds to $19.95 and $19.99 rounds to $20 so that would be one possible work around. In addiontion if we reduce the number of possible outcome in terms of change on a purchase… (right now there are exactly 100) everything from 0 to 99) if we switched to nickles we would reduce it to 25, I believe this could / should decrease the number of coins needed. However yes this could also be a problem with any form of money, eventually the materials for a quarter might cost more then 25 cents.

April 23rd, 2006

DHofmann the Virgin spake, and sayeth

They wouldn’t need to round prices to the nearest nickel, they would just have to round how much the total is, after taxes. Like at the gas pump, where it’s $2.899 a gallon (instead of $2.89 or $2.90).

April 23rd, 2006

aJ the Zen Master scribbled

Ex// $19.96 rounds to $19.95 and $19.99 rounds to $20 so that would be one possible work around

I’m sure most would have wondered why some products are priced a $xx.99 or $xx.49. The reason for that is because it being just a cent lower comes under a different sales tax slab (At least in India, dunno abt the US but I expect something similar). So keeping it just a cent lesser, they pay lower sales tax and also since most people might not bother with getting a cent back (Is it even an active denomination?) they get $xx+1 itself!

So the above rounding off might not be met with enthusiasm!

April 23rd, 2006

Christine the Lioness got all philosophical

But if the penny was no longer produced? Wouldn’t its value technically go up? It’s an interesting problem. I read an article that outlined potential problems with getting rid of the penny. Here’s the link if you want to read it: http://coins.about.com/library/weekly/aa073001a.htm
One of which is that charities like the Salvation Army who do specific drives and actually make money from pennies would face problems (or maybe people would give nickels instead, which would be even better?)

It sort of seems like one of those things that we won’t really be able to predict the full effects of until we actually do it and people will either adapt pretty easy (”oh yeah… I forgot about that… we used to have pennies”) or there will be consequences no one foresaw (”Oh shit…”). -)

April 24th, 2006

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