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MichaelGuinan the Virgin chimed in with
The angle that we don’t want an airline policing attire unless there is a dress code is the exact reason we need to pay attention to this closely. Do businesses need to post dress codes now? The more codes and laws we demand the less freedom we really have.
I watched Kyla on Dr. Phil receive her apology which she now claims was not good enough because of its word play.
I’ve been playing devil’s advocate with Kyla Ebbert’s story since I read it last week. And I find myself asking questions which lead me to seriously consider if the airlines acted justifiably. The outfit we see Kyla wearing on The Today Show and in The San Diego Union-Tribune is now in its most conservative state. In all likelihood the skirt was higher and the shirt was pulled down so the public could admire the new breast augmentation. While watching the clip from The Today Show I could see clearly see the crotch of Kyla’s white panties.
Remembering this is in its most conservative state we have to ask ourselves to what degree could this same outfit be in its most liberal state. Is it possible she wasn’t wearing panties? Is it possible her wardrobe was inappropriate? This is a good story because of its shock value and because it involves a local, young college co-ed. If a 300lb man were sitting next to me on a plane in nothing more than a Speedo I would ask a representative of the airlines to address the situation. Is it illegal? No. Inappropriate? Yes.
If a passenger boarded the plane wearing a shirt with a swastika logo, I would be offended even though that original symbol is thousands of years old its Nazi implications are overt. It is implied that we as individuals use good judgment when interacting with each other. And when someone doesn’t show good judgment, as is very possible in this situation, we ask a representative of the business to use their good judgment on our behalf. If you go to original Kyla’s myspace page, the first photo she chooses to represent herself is her in a black bra and black panties wearing high heels with a few friends dressed the same way.
What we are doing by giving Kyla so much attention for this story is encouraging some of the same behaviors many of us find nauseating: Litigation because a business refuses to apologize for using what may have been good judgment. Does every business and public place need to outline a proper dress code? If we keep flaming this story from the perspective that Kyla is a victim of big business without first giving the airline the benefit of doubt, we are doing all of ourselves a disservice. It seems to me Kyla enjoys using her new breasts and her body, in general, to get attention and financial reward: her myspace page, Hooters, the lack of wardrobe, her many flights via Southwest, etc… And that is fine in the appropriate venues.
She is making the circuit on as many of the media outlets which will have her before she ends up nude in December’s issue of a men’s magazine. But before we all feign outrage, I suggest we consider the flip side of this coin. It is possible she was dressed inappropriately. It is legal for a private business to weigh the circumstance and make a judgment. I would much rather Kyla’s stay offended during this media blitz because she didn’t receive an apology than for me to have to succumb to a detailed, written dress code in every public place I go. I prefer to use my own common sense when dressing, and would hope I don’t get pulled aside and asked to change my outfit because it is inappropriate or take a shower because my body odor is intolerable or stop using profanity while drinking too much or any one of many things which are legal but tasteless.
Kyla was on KGB 101.5 on 09/12 in San Diego. She mentioned she flew with Southwest more than 100 times last year. Why and Where? Vegas perhaps. Also on her original (below) myspace she mentions she is “retired”. From what?
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:http://www.myspace.com/PrincessKyla
Kyla Ebbert’s background is questionable. She claims to have traveled via Southwest more than 100 times in one year. That is like one or two trips a week. On her original myspace (below) she claims she is “retired”. From what? She claims she wants to meet Hugh Hefner. Also the myspace ad screams volumes. If more people connected the dots I think there would be less people defending her as if she is an innocent victim randomly chosen out of a herd. She potrays herself as a possible call-girl / stripper. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is what we find out eventually. Then how many people would be feigning outrage?
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:http://www.myspace.com/PrincessKyla
Mara the Peacemaker chimed in with
Kind of ridiculous especially if the airline does not have a dress code. What’s inappropriate is totally subjective as apparently, Kyla Ebbert was seen in the same outfit by another flight attendant who had nothing to say about her attire.
Mara the Peacemaker commented
For some reason, she looks older than 23 to me
ProphetJoe the Irreverent got all philosophical
Inappropriate attire? Was the flight attendant a nun??
I say “if you’ve got it, flaunt it!”
Btw, nice legs and a nice rack… 
Trouble the Pirate up'n wrote this
That’s right PJ, I say let the ho wear what she want… Frankly I’ll feel safer when ALL Semi-fu(kable female passengers dress like that… No place to hide a bomb… The fruity steward was just jealous he don’t make enough to buy a rack like hers… Plus Mara, probably the best part of the poor thing’s day was getting thrown off Southwest for looking TOO trailer, that alone must speak to how hard those 23 years have been…
It’s not the airline industry, it’s just individual people that are causing the situations outlined here, from both sides. Whatever happened to personal accountability? Oh shit! For a moment I forgot these things were happening in the US…
I’m not arguing the fact that standards in the travel industry, and passenger rights have hit an all time low, that’s moot… But WE are the fucking cattle who keep happily lining up and chewing our cud while we are prodded towards the guy straddling the fence with the large intimidating-looking pneumatic hammer ready to send fragments of our Grey-matter into our pelvis… Any thinking idiot can see that for all the “efforts” of TSA, the self-serving legislators and the kowtowing airline officials, there’s only a perceived element of safety at best.
Example #1… Continental makes passengers wait for hours with no potty… Well, what the hell did your mother and father ask you every single time you got into the car for a trip longer than to the corner 7-11… “Did you go wee-wee?”
Believe it or not, an airport doesn’t function quite the same as the parking lot at the local strip-mall, pilots don’t just look right then left, then right again before barreling out into traffic… If 200 possibly non-English speaking passengers could actually organize themselves to disembark, go wee-wee, and get back on the plane in under 6 hours, AND there were no other extenuating circumstances like those pesky airport security fire-hoops, and the two brain-dead air-traffic controllers who had a bet going on how long they could keep the spicks on the tarmac… Then maybe…
Example #2… Kyla Ebbert… AKA Kandi Kains… I thought she looked familiar… I had to Windex my 42″ plasma after I saw her in Fresh faces 17, damn! I’m not saying that a woman shouldn’t be allowed to wear whatever 2 handkerchiefs she pulls out of her girlfriends sock-drawer in the dark before catching a cab to the airport at 5:30am, but… If she was standing in front of me in the check-in line I’d probably never make the flight on account of the burly policemen hauling me away on sexual-assault charges… Didn’t her mama ever tell her that them kinda clothes ain’t fer airplane travellin’? They’re fer the night-club… Or Sunday mass…
Example #3… Hairy Bubba has to change in line… Well, Bubba, when you wear a t-shirt with a clever and subtle sexual-innuendo plastered on the front… The risk is, that even if you didn’t, someone else might ‘get it…’ and when you live in a sexually repressed society, there’s a further risk that it might be frowned upon by decent god-fearin’, church-going folk… I should think that any self-respectin’ fisherman understands that there is an element of luck to landing the really large Walleye, and that proclaiming oneself to be a “Master” baiter, is a slap in the face to the worms in general, they work hard to be the best bait they possibly can, frankly they do most of the work… AND take all the risk… Your fat, hairy ass is taking all the credit… Shame on you Bubba… Go shave your back…
Example #4… If you’re in your third trimester and standing at the top of the half-pipe preparing to Ollie into a bitchin’ run goofy-foot… Someone in the crowd might point out their perception that in some transcendental way, you might be endangering yourself and/or your unborn offspring, if only in that your lifestyle might later influence said child to become a pot-smoking board-head… SOME PEOPLE feel it’s their obligation to point out their own fallacious theorems to others in a misguided attempt to ‘help’ them… Didn’t you ever watch Seinfeld? That flight attendant’s sister had a crack-baby because she didn’t intervene sooner and help her get off the pipe, and now she has to live with that… So now she tries to make up for it by championing the cause of the innocent just like Michael Knight and KITT… When your friend’s little future booze-hound is born with a hang-over, don’t say she wasn’t warned…
Speaking on behalf of the many stewardesses I’ve fu(ked, they take more shit than any other profession, not only do they have to deal with crabby, unappreciative, smelly, slow-moving, usually intoxicated clients, sexual molestation from the pilots, screaming kids, loaded barf-bags, pretentious douche-bags in coach who order Kettle One Martini’s [that’d be me…] and the risk of being sliced open with a box-cutter… But they’re locked in a fu(kin’ tin can with them… They don’t get paid nearly enough… 
ProphetJoe the Irreverent mentioned
Trouble: dude, ya might want to dial back on the caffeine this morning…
Btw, isn’t it funny how many professions “takes more shit than any other profession” I mean, just ask a: bartender, bouncer, waitress (especially those waiting on Christopher ), nurse, strippers, etc. — they will all tell you how awful their job is!
Personally, I think computer geeks have it the worst!! 
Christopher the Pyro got all philosophical
It really has very little to do with the actual airlines and more to do with people. The reality is people do crazy things sometimes and completley out of the blue, when you think about the number of flights compaired to the number of issues like this, it’s pretty small. For every person who gets harrassed there are probably 5 people who were doing something that is against company policy that gets a pass. I’m not saying any of these situations are cool, I’m just saying the airlines themselves really don’t have control over individual irrational behaivor.
Christine the Lioness hunt n' pecked this
True, the airlines can’t predict that an employee will make a decision that’s completely wrong. But the companies are responsible for the behavior of their employees whether they can predict it or not. Southwest and American both issued apologies to these people on behalf of the airline.
While the percentage of people being told they can’t fly because of their attire might be minute, the problem is really that airline employees have the power to arbitrarily screw up someone’s entire trip because they are personally offended by what the person is wearing. Being “offended” is entirely subjective and people basically need to get over this idea that if they’re offended then the person offending them must change the offensive behavior. You have a lot of rights, but the right to not be offended isn’t one of them.
Trouble the Pirate chimed in with
Welcome back guys… Who won the fight? It was gettin’ lonely around here… Even PJ was startin’ to look good…
Miss Christine! Miss Christine… Mike was mean to me in the “Why men think women are crazy” thread… You should give him a time-out… 
Christine the Lioness stated
Mike has decided to use my writing to teach men to be better people. I can’t hardly blame him for that, can I?
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