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Ben2 the Soldier (56) Christine 2 the Mercenary asserted
I think that people tend to not trust others based on what they could see themselves doing in that situation. So therefore, if you are the kind of person that would ever consider cheating, then you wouldn’t trust your spouse to be around an ex out of fear that they would cheat. Truly, I think that it depends on what the couple is okay with. If a man’s wife is not bothered by it because she truly trusts him, then it should be fine. However, if she is the jealous type and it bothers her to think of her husband being around someone he once was intimate with, then it is the husband’s responsibility to respect her opinions (as long as they are clearly expressed and well-founded). It’s the same thing for wives. If your husband really dislikes you going out with your ex-fiance, you should respect that. That is also part of the vows you undertake during marriage. A lot of times though, in these situations, it might be that the spouse doesn’t trust the ex. I don’t think I would be comfortable with my husband hanging around someone that might try and put herself all over him, even if I did trust him to reject every advance.
Christopher the Pyro stated
There are more conflict of interests between x’s then between Enron and the Bush Family. No matter how you cut, slice and dice this shit there is definitly issues. I don’t even know if i want to get into this because basically this whole post is about Christine making herself feel good about something that most people know isn’t ok. Frankly I think when two people are dealing with X’s there was a reason why you dated them it’s because you were attracted to them, there is always that open door. ALWAYS.
Christine the Lioness mentioned
First of all… this isn’t even about me. I’m not in a relationship and I certainly wouldn’t be with someone who was jealous of me having guy friends (which is exactly what they are when you aren’t dating them anymore… the relationship evolves into just friendship). The truth is… I am way more attracted to some of the guys I work with (whom I’ve never dated) than I am to the guys I’ve dated in the past. Should my husband/fiance be threatened by them as well?
I’d venture to say that *most* people do think it’s okay to be friends with your ex. Because if your mate can’t trust you around the ex then she/he is either jealous and controlling, or you’re not trustworthy. Either way you cut the cake, there are more problems in your relationship with your spouse/fiance than there are with the simple fact that you’re friends with an ex.
Christine the Lioness scribbled
by the way… I agree with Christine 2. People who have trouble trusting the other person around their ex only have trouble with it because they know that they can’t be trusted with an ex. But hey… according to Christopher… you can do anything you want (including cheating) as long as your spouse doesn’t find out about it.
I prefer to be honest about who I’m spending time with and who my friends are. If you’re not doing anything wrong, then there’s no need to be secretive.
Christopher the Pyro scribbled
Misguided.. that is the only word for you Christine.
Christine the Lioness chimed in with
Yes… I’d say I was misguided in thinking that we could have a friendship that was important enough to mean something after one of us gets married. Apparently, it wasn’t that important if it’s so easy to throw away. So why waste my time being friends with guys at all? My friendship won’t be worth anything once they’re married because I have a vagina. Of course the male friends that encouraged him to cheat on his fiance with a stripper at his bachelor party will forever be “okay” to be friends with. Go figure…
Christine 2 the Mercenary commented
I think it also depends on how serious the ex-relationship was. If you were engaged that would put a different spin on things if you continued to be friends after you had moved on to another serious relationship. But, if you were really good friends to start with, had a relationship that didn’t work out, but remained friends afterwards, then I guess it would be understandable if the two remained friends, as long as everything was out in the open, and no one was uncomfortable with it. If the guy/girl was able to hang out with the ex around their new significant other, I don’t really see how that would be a problem, unless it was clearly an uncomfortable situation. But that is a way you can tell if it’s a bad idea or not: if you can’t hang out with your ex around your new partner, then obviously their are some sort of feelings there still, even if they are subconscious.
Christine the Lioness hunt n' pecked this
Good point, C2. Excellent point… actually.
Rob the Soldier stated
There is, in my opinion, a real problem with theoretical arguments like this one. “What if” questions have very little to do with what will really happen if the theoretical situation were ever actually to arrive. What is guaranteed is that when two people who discuss a situation like this one disagree, the theory becomes reality, and an argument over something that has not actually happened occurs. I will say that although philosophical debates are good, needlessly creating a hurtful situation between two people who care about each other is not. It is just too easy to sit at home and make decisions about what we would do, but when the moment arrives we may very well take a way different path than we thought we would have. It makes me sad to see this post, because I am sure that the two of you could have been out somewhere having a great time instead of fighting over this. In the end, it is way easier to disgard a contentious relationship than a peaceful one. If too many days end in needless arguments, you guys may not have to worry about who may stay friends with whom, and that would really be a shame.
Rob the Soldier chimed in with
Just in case, I want to clarify that the last post is for both of you.
Christine the Lioness scribbled
I think Rob would be a good dad.
Christine the Lioness asserted
But just to clarify because I don’t want Rob to be sad over my post… Christopher and I actually were out having a great time last night when the discussion came up. We spent five hours blowing hard-earned money away at Dave & Buster’s in an attempt to get enough tickets for Christopher to get an X-box game from their prize gallery. The conversation never became an argument… and it was based on something that’s really going on with a friend of mine.
But Rob’s point is well taken. I agree that “What if” questions are pretty worthless and when the time comes to test them, whatever theory you had about what you would probably do rarely makes a difference at all. And forming opinions about a person based on their “what if” answers doesn’t help you figure out if that person is right for you, or compatible, or any of those things… all it does is create a reality (as Rob said) that isn’t real at all.
In all honesty, I’m the one who introduced the “what if” question to Christopher, suddenly making it about us. And in hindsight… that was a mistake. The truth is… Christopher is really important to me and he’s proven time and again what an amazing friend he is… and changing how I act or feel towards him based on his answer to a theoretical question that has never come up and may never come up… or disregarding all the times he’s been exactly the person I needed in the past because of his “what if” answer… is stupid.
So while it didn’t lead to a needless argument… it shouldn’t have been introduced anyway. Good point.
Christine 2 the Mercenary thought this
I agree. Rob has a good point. However, I think that theoretical conversations are good as long as they don’t get too personal, and stay exactly what they are: theoretical. It’s just hard to not take someone’s stance on something personally when you accidentally begin applying it to yourself or your own hypothetical situation. So, it is good to cover the subject, just so long that no one takes it so personal that they change the way they already interact with someone based on hypothetical anything.
Christopher the Pyro spake, and sayeth
AHH see I forget that we never posted rule #2417 for chris vs chris, Christine can’t get pissed at me for anything I say or do on CvC.. (she likes to break this rule alot but eventually it works)..
Christine the Lioness commented
I’m not surprised we forgot to post that rule. He has SO FREAKING MANY rules for me… I start to forget what they are after #1397.8-|
Christopher the Pyro penned this
Ya.. it’s alot like wedding crashers.. at least I clearly write my rules down and make her aware of them.. she just creates them on the fly
MissIrish the Groupie hunt n' pecked this
what happens when you agree to let the ex hang out with him, but she isnt comfortable hanging with you around. she claims that you never trusted her and she doesnt like the idea of a chaperone to hang out. So now the problem I am having with that is, it gives me the idea that SHE has alterior motives not him. now there is a power struggle and you dont know what to do?
MissIrish the Groupie mentioned
I just dont know what to do now…
Christine the Lioness up'n wrote this
Well… Here’s my opinion on this.. there could be lots of reasons she doesn’t want you to gang out with them– and it isn’t necessarily just because she’s still attracted to him. Maybe she just doesn’t like the idea that you don’t trust her. But at the same time… I understand your position in that most people who don’t have something to hide… won’t be secretive about what they’re doing… they’d invite you along because there’s nothing to be secretive about and no reason to be alone…
The reality is… you need to trust her. Relationships are built on trust. It’s not important that you know the reason she wants to be alone… just trust her. And if she gives you reason to think otherwise with something concrete… or if you don’t like the idea that she’s perfectly happy hanging out with her ex without you there… then you may want to consider finding a girl who wouldn’t make that decision.
You have to let her do what she’s going to do… but that doesn’t mean you have stick around if she’s doing things that really bother you. It’s a tough one…
MissIrish the Groupie stated
put in perspective from someone else makes a little more sense. But I am just hesitant to give her any opportunity to steal the moment back with him. Cheating often is not planned and is very in the heat of the moment. I trust him, but man trusting another female, yet alone his best friend/ex has been the hardest relationship bump I have ever had to face. I would like to think that I could atleast be aqquaintaces with this girl, but at the same time I dont want to give the impression that she won…she got her way without having to give anything in return and I definitely dont want that to come back and bite me in the ass…on the flipside I dont want it to cause a rift in my relationship with him, I am not so selfish to make him choose between a friend of 8 years and me…
I told him that there were certain activities I was not comfortable with, ie: her sleeping over at his house, and taking weekend trips to wherever. those are things you do with your girlfriend, and he has been cool with that…but do I have the backing to tell him how often is not appropriate for our relationship?
Christine the Lioness added
First of all… how long have the two of you been going out? I think if they’ve been friends for 8 years, then there’s a reason why they haven’t been intimate in 8 years! They aren’t interested in each other like that… and quite frankly, if they are… then there’s nothing you can do about it.
If someone is going to cheat, she/he is going to cheat. I don’t think being around an ex is any different “heat of the moment wise” than being around some really hot person you’ve secretly been attracted to for a while. The point is… if a person can be trusted, they should be trusted in every situation… it’s very easy to trust a person when they’re never tempted or allowed to be in scenarios where they are forced to make a decision. A person who is really trustworthy can be trusted in every situation… not just the easy ones.
But regardless… I think you were right in saying that certain situations make you uncomfortable and he should respect that if he cares about you. I think to tell someone that they can’t see a friend is very controlling. You need to be able to trust him in every situation or you’ll spend your life worrying about this situation or that one, and then another one will come up…
And if he does cheat, and it ruins your relationship, then be glad that you found out the truth and move on with someone who is trustworthy.
There are certain behaviors that are okay for single people and certain ones that aren’t. But at some point, you have to let people make their own choices and hope they do the right thing.
MissIrish the Groupie quibbed this
it is very controlling to make him choose thats why I dont want to bring it to that. But she is his LAST girlfriend, and we have been going out for 6 months. He broke it off with her to start dating me, and she admitted at one point that if he wasnt with me when he broke up, then it would have been “different” and out of nowhere she is the ONLY problem that is in our relationship… When she wants to hang out with him, its when he goes home, which is 150 miles away from where we live, and that awful feeling I get in my stomach is almost unbearable. I have let them hang out before, but now she is stepping up those activites to out of town trips for the entire weekend and I cant allow that…it is just downright disrespectful to me for her to think I would have no problem with her taking him to Tahoe…
I just want to come to grips with this whole thing, without losing my position in the relationship.So now that the damage has been done, what to do to remedy it is the next challenge I face…without hating her and coming to an agreement about how we can fix this situation…:-?
Christine the Lioness scribbled
Wow. I think some other readers should give you some advice about this besides me… Where are Katie and Christine 2 when you need ‘em???
I think going on vacations with your ex is a bad idea… but honestly… this should sort of be a no-brainer for your boyfriend. I’m surprised he is even entertaining that idea…
It almost sounds like she’s trying to “prove” that she could get him if he didn’t live so far away…
But regardless… it’s up to your man to do the right thing and if you’ve already expressed that it appears to you that his ex is doing things to get him back, he needs to step up and put an end to that either by talking to her about it or by not going out with her if that’s not what he wants. Sometimes, it’s hard to see the forest through the trees. Either way… I know you have to practice a great amount of self-control here by letting him do it himself… but if that’s the only issue in your relationship, then I think he’ll choose you over her… and you’d rather have him make that decision all by himself, than make it for him by pressuring him and never know if he would have made the right one or not.
Katie the Mercenary asserted
hmm im here im here…. got stuck in Philly cause of the snow 
/ exes hmm i dunno about them… i dont see how you could be friends with them…I also dont see how you can tell your hunny not to be friends with someone, same sex or not. YA know!?! I mean sure I dont “like” all of Devs friends…but they are his friends, not mine I dont have to like them. No ex mess for either of us, we have been together since we were 16, no hate for this please 
I would like to think thought that I would trust D with an ex if he had one, simply because he isnt with her anymore…he is with me and he isnt with her for more then one reason ya know!?! I guess its all about how sure you are of your relationship… but I dunno. >-
Christopher the Pyro quibbed this
MissIrish.. I think you should offer to have a threesome with her and your bf. That would take this fucked up situation to a whole nother level. Just a heads up.. he is definintly hooking up with her.. you need to squash it or join in.
Christine 2 the Mercenary pontificated
Hmmm… I like how Christine said where is Christine 2. Unfortunately, I only have the most sarcastic and funniest thing to say:
You need to lose that zero…and get yo’self a HERO! =))
Christine 2 the Mercenary up'n wrote this
But for real, I don’t know enough about the relationship to comment further than one thing: If they have been platonic friends for 8 years, and you’ve only been with him for 6 months, that makes it difficult. However, your boyfriend should respect you enough to not go on a vacation alone with her. He needs to do that with YOU. If he can’t respect that, then I say, go on a vacation to the Bahamas with one of your guy friends and see how that makes him feel. If they wanna be friends, whatever. But vacationing alone…NO. That’s just asking for something bad to happen. And women are very conniving (I know, I’m that way myself). So, therefore, let them hang, respect their friendship if you truly trust him, but he should know better than to go on vacation with her without you thinking twice about it. That’s the testing point to see whether or not he’s worth anymore of your time. Think about it: This is only 6 months in. What will the future be like if you don’t set the boundary lines now?
Christine the Lioness scribbled
I still have to disagree with Christine 2’s last point about setting boundary lines. I’ve learned from experience that it’s much better to step back and let the guy do whatever he’s going to do. This does two things… it gives him a chance to not feel like you’re controlling, and it gives you a chance to really get to know the guy’s character and see if he’ll make the right ethical decisions when left up to it himself. If you start to influence it, he may make a decision he wouldn’t have made simply because he doesn’t want to listen to you bitch, or he doesn’t want to lose you, or some other reason that isn’t as simple as “because it’s unfair to my girlfriend and simply not right.” I think Miss I is pretty lucky to have this happen so early on in the relationship because if she plays this right, she will truly get to see if this guy is a zero or a hero and know better if he’s someone she’d want to spend her life with. I agree with all the vacation stuff. He should be doing that with her… not an ex. But it still has to be HIS decision.
MissIrish the Groupie chimed in with
it is true. I would rather find out now if he was going to be an inconsiderate guy, rather than hella far down the road…I told him that overnight trips were out of the question, and I dont think he will ever bring that one up again.
as for her, I guess that what Katie said is true, I dont have to like his friend, but I am adult enough to shake her hand and not want to chop her head off for putting this
strain on my relationship with him. Some people are just bound to be utterly clueless to the things happening around them. On the other hand it bugs the hell out of me that she is such a fake ass person, and with what Christine 2 said about women being conniving, I wouldnt put it past her to lie to me just to get her way. So I am going to put all the chips on the table and “go all in” on this one…you live and learn, I just hope that honestly everyone will make the right decision
ps. Hey chris, threesome HA! I wouldnt sink down to that level to sleep with a girl who looks like an asian dora the explorer with some bushy ass eyebrows!!!!! that I wont share….=))
Christine the Lioness uttered
Why not? From the way you describe her, she sounds supa hot… 
Christine 2 the Mercenary remarked
beware of asians…hehe jk =p~
Christopher the Pyro spake, and sayeth
MissIrish.. u are super brave going all in and hoping everybody is being honest here.. you are dealing at least partially with another woman.. there is no hope for honesty..
aJ the Zen Master pontificated
Both Christine2 and Rob made excellent points.
Makes sense and gives us points to ponder over
MissIrish the Groupie said this
You never know how things are going to work out, but being the optimist that I am I
will not think that everyone in this world is out to fuck me over…no pun intended
“do not walk where there is a path, instead make a path for others to follow..” unknown-
if I cant trust him now, that will just grow into more distrust…
but I can tell you that the boundaries are set, and with those boundaries
come repercussions of crossing the line…and if that female goes there, then
lets just hope she has a good life insurance policy!!!j/k x(
Brudil the Virgin added
If you are married and your significant other has issues with you hanging around your ex’s than you should respect that. Divorce happens at a rate of just over 50%, that is sad. Marriage is not supposed to be self serving, it is suppose to be self giving. I guess no one really listens to their vows anymore. By staying friends with your ex and pissing off the person you pledged your life to is in fact self serving, not self giving. In other words the opposite of your marriage vows. I already know the counter point, if it is self giving then he should be fine with you being friends with an ex. Let me just say, come up with something other than that, because being self giving is exclusive to the people who are married, not anybody else in your life, parents, friends, or exs.
You should repect each others wishes or at least have a good talk about them. If it still makes him upset, then err on the side of caution and not screw up your marriage, that person you pledged all thos wonderful things to in front of family and friends. Remember self giving, not self serving.
Besides exs are people you were sexually involved with. What qualities makes a friend. People you have common beliefs with that share your enthusiasm and goals in life. What makes and ex - People you have common beliefs with that share your enthusiasm and goals in life and you sleep with them. Do yourself a favor and hang around the friends you haven’t formally had sex with and your husband would be a lot happier, same goes for him, quit hanging around girls he has screwed. Its just not a good idea. You make way to much of this bunk trust issue. Trust is part unconditinal and part circumstance. Blind trust is ignorance and usually involves the trustee getting screwed over at some point by the trusted. To say he doesn’t trust you is rediculous. Even though he trusts you, I’m sure it would still be uncomfortable for him to know you and your ex are out alone. Your ex being the guy you used to screw.
Marriage boils down to two elements, good sex and good team work. Save all the blather about soul mate and love for the Hallmark cards. Because thats not reality. When you decide that you are going to take a vow committing your life to just one person, you better have those two items in check and then love will be the easy part. With out it, well look at reality, the divorce rate is just above 50%.
Keith the Director hunt n' pecked this
This topic is defintely a hung juryno matter how you look at it. I agree with a lot of ppl here, but truth be told I don’t know what to think. My relationships have all ended aon me never seeing or talking to said female ever again except for one instance, but considering she lives in nebraska now( go figure how ironic) I don’t worry too much about seeing her at the local bar or clubs. Too even go further I hadn’t seen this girl since 1998 once she moved away. She comes back a 2years ago for a friends wedding and decides to stop by to say hi. It was good to see her, but case and point…we start talking she gets a baby sitter and we head out for a few drinks to catch up and reminise. At the end of the night I dropped her off and she invites me to the wedding. With no plans I accept to go to the reception( catholic weddings are too damn long ) Plus the reception is the best part anyway right? Long story short we had fun at the wedding and wound up making out a bit…which ultiumately led to sex! Go figure! An ex gets together drinks were had and sex is the outcome. I’m sure I’m not the only person this has ever happened to and i won’t be the last. To make matters worse she had a b/f back in nebraska, and I was talking to a girl who eventually became a steady g/f. It just goes to show how little trust was a factor. We got together after years of seperation and just seemed like the right thig to do was have sex after some drinks and dancing. The thoughts of our others in our oives were discussed the day before and even at the wedding, and it didn’t even matter. Call me a PIG I could give a shit been called worse…say what you will, that shit happens all the time, and if you don’t see it you are either blnd or being nieve! It’s your choice, but that is one reason i don’t talk to my ex’s b/c I have no reason to! Maybe it’s b/c I never truely loved that person in the first place to give that much a care about them after we broke up or it’s b/c I have a low trust factor for most ppl and I know exactly how ppl act after drinking ex’s/friends or not. I just don’t see it as a good idea for them to be out by themselves. Hang out together all you want or email is fine. But I never once had a friend that I started a relationship with… for the simple fact that sex ruins relationships. Oh and btw I still email the girl in nebraska regularly and we are still “friends” but guess what if she came to town again regardless of relationship status..I have a feeling we would be hooking up again after drinks! Just a hunch cause our relationship was based solely on sex to begin with!
Christopher the Pyro mentioned
Brudil,
I think you hit this right on the money 100%.. Keith.. your an asshole that is why all your relationships have ended with you never seeing or talking to the girls again because they want to fucking KILL you when you are done with them… I also agree with the formula x + drinkings = sex, or x + spare time = sex, or x + horney = sex… you probably don’t talk to your x’s because they won’t talk to you.. or because you actually did give a shit tho.. otherwise you wouldn’t mind talking and fucking them on occassion.
eric the Lil' Devil thought this
this topic reminds me of why you don’t allow your girl to “hang out” with her exes. it relates to permiscuousness? if thats a word? the so called double standard of why men are studs for it and women are considered whores, say a guy goes into a club whips out his cock and falls back and says ladies climb on! he gets arrested and is a sex offender, if a woman does it it’s a gang bang the likes of jenna jameson’s usual tuesday afternoon
Christopher the Pyro spake, and sayeth
that’s what Christine use to always say after she could get back from a session at the local bar.. that it was the only double standard that worked in her favor
Keith the Director chimed in with
very true chris…my ex’s pretty much do hate me when we part ways b/c they don’t want to end things, but I’m tired of their asses or some other very valid reason for breaking up with them. Like that lying no good ass bitch that cheated on me on when my team was on road trips over the weekend in college! Yeah she was a fucking keeper if I ever knew one! The saying, “there’s no worse thing than a woman scorned!” well guess what ladies the same applies to men you fuck us over once, we drop that bitch like a bad habit, but unfortunately for the next girl in line she gets the blunt of it. It our version of revenge…So children what’s the moral of this story treat others as you would want to be treated. I hope that cheating whore has an STD or 3 right now! have a nice day!
MissIrish the Groupie got all philosophical
well this topic sure fired back up…
since I told him that he could hang out with her, he actually hasnt. I dont
know if he is doing this for me, or if he doesnt want to hang out with her.
I know for a fact that I am WAY better looking than that crossed eyed dora
looking asian bitch that she is, and looking at his track record, he is not
the cheating type. I conceded on this one…gave him the opportunity to do
what he wants with it, and so far nothing has happened; I think it was a
test to see if I was a controlling typical woman…but who knows
on the other hand what Keith said, is one of those situations that I was anxious
about, but being that he doesnt really go to bars (hardly ever) I am not
worried about drunk sex. Brudil I am not the one who wanted to hang with
an ex..but then again most of my really good friends are guys and no I have
not slept with them (most guys might want to, but it would lead to a situation
like this so I ultimately said no)if I dont control him, he can never get
pissed at me for hangin with one of my guys…they have a history, and it was
long before I came along, eventually I believe that I will keep him around
and let him realize that he doesnt need her to begin with.
She is under no illusion about what I feel either, and if she dares to go there,
she will suffer the wrath that every woman has deep in her soul, and that is vengance
she has been warned no second or even first chances…
I dont want to be a controlling, desperate woman…cause I am definitely not that
on an everyday basis. So for me to go and change who I am because of the norms of
society would make me a hypocrite…and most women are irrational emotional bitches
that I would rather not compare myself to. We will see in the aftermath how this
one turns out…but it is nice to know that there are some guys out there with a
sense of realism and realistic truths, keep em comin!!!
Keith the Director added
always willing to lend a helpful thought or hint for you miss irish…good luck with your situ.
soccerwolf21 the Virgin stated
:-?I am friends with two of my exes- one married to and one engaged to…complicated yes. But I have been extremely honest with my boyfriend who I live and love dearly. He has always known every situation involving my exes conversation or dinner. I don’t have anything to hide and he doesn’t seem to be bothered by it - uncomfortable at first YES but not anymore…But my vent is that I really considered both of these guys best buds of mine- we hunted together everything…and then the exfiancee started dating this chick—who says JUMP and he instantly says HOW HIGH? I understand to a certain extent but it doesn’t mean I like it one bit…I m faithful and more than willingly to be cool with her why do I have to lose a friend…why does he have to be a shithead?
MissIrish the Groupie added
that is a typical female response to ex anythings hanging out.
I dont want that in my relationship but it was my first reaction for
him not to hang out with his ex who happened to be his best friend.
So he got with a girl that doesnt feel comfortable with the ex’s
hanging out…its just what happens sometimes, but I have come to terms
with it, and let me tell you it was one of the hardest things I have
ever had to deal with in a relationship
so you can do two things…try to work it out or lose a great friend
soccerwolf21 the Virgin penned this
I am accepting the situation for what it is right now…He’s too good of a friend to not try to understand…and he still has not stopped contact…saw him for the first time last nite- long story short- my grandpa died this week…I was miserable last night and alone went to a party at girl’s house and he came over to talk to me and make sure I was okay…I think he really doesn’t know what to do…And to be completely honest- there still spark there even after not seeing the other for a month…so I see everyone’s point now…I honestly want him to be happy-that’s what a friend is…we will keep in contact but only on occasion see each other- I didn’t expect my grandpa to pass so it was unplanned and unexpected but we got to talking and I got upset and he was there for me. i can’t ask for more./
Christine the Lioness added
I’ve had experience with this too… I’ve been on both sides. Situation #1: My ex was very uncomfortable with me hanging out with my guy friends whom I had previously dated (there was no spark there or anything… they were just good friends). So I gave them up for him because it was what he wanted. I pretty much dis’d them and stopped calling them back, etc. Then… 3 1/2 years after being together and being engaged, my ex decided he didn’t want to be with me. So there I was… now with no friends to turn to when things were really tough because I’d given them up because the guy I was with had issues. Lucky for me, my friends were cool and despite the fact I hadn’t been a good friend to them the previous few years, we reconnected and they are close to me again. After going through that… I don’t think I’d give my friends up for anyone again. And a part of that though… is that there was no interest in rekindling anything with either one… so all of my ex’s issues about me and these guys were pretty much in his own head because I was completely faithful and head over heels in love with him. So for that reason… I’d never ask anyone to give up a friend even it the friend was once an ex. Things change. People change. The guys I was attracted to 5 or 10 years ago are not who I’m attracted to now. You’re sort of enabling and encouraging your mate to be jealous if you cut people out of your life just because they have jealousy issues.
On the other hand… one of my ex’s (I wasn’t ever in love with him… but we dated for a few months and then became better friends for about 8 months after that)recently got married. Since then, I never hear from him. And that kind of sucks because I liked having him as a friend. I don’t know if his wife had issues with it or not… or if he just felt it wasn’t appropriate anymore or just got more involved with other things. But I can’t help but think that he didn’t value our friendship much if he’s willing to just write it off like that.
On the other hand… if the guy I love wants something, despite what Christopher will tell you, I try to make him happy. If he really has a problem with an ex being a friend, my alliance should be to my husband. I know I get jealous at times, but whenever I do… instead of suggesting that the guy can’t have his friend anymore… I realize it’s my issue. Either I need to not be jealous and trust my guy… or I need to decide he’s not trustworthy and get out of the relationship. It’s really unfair to put that on your mate when it’s your issue. Not that I’m above doing it… but it’s something to aspire to I think.
Keith the Director stated
Wow christine I never had you pegged to give in like that! It’s admirable that you would do anything for the person you love, and your lucky your friends are great ppl. Personally I think it was nuts for you to do what you did. I broke up with my ex because she said i golfed to much, and she didn’t like my friend steve who I hung out with every friday. I told her my friends are my friends they were here before you and will be here after you if thats how its going to be, and to accept it. She did for about a month, and then got all anal on me about the amount of golf I was playing and my friend coming up for the weekend to play golf and the fact I wouldn’t see her that weekend. Well as the saying goes that was the traw that broke the camels back, and I said thats it. You cannot change ppl how you see fit. You like them or love them for who they are and what they do. If you don’t think you can be with them with the life they lead and their friends then don’t get involved!
Christine the Lioness spake, and sayeth
You’re absolutely right, Keith. And looking back on it, I wish I hadn’t given up my friends the way I did. It obviously bit me in the ass when he left and it made me very disappointed in myself because I take a lot of pride in being a really great friend to the people I care about. I did it for two reasons… (1) because I wanted to make him happy and I do think there are some compromises you need to make in a relationship, and those comprises come naturally when you have someone in your life that you pretty much put above all other things (although getting rid of friends because they were your ex’s is NOT one of those compromises– I know that now). (2) It was easier to do that than to listen to him throw a fit or yell at me or get pissed off every time I was going to go out with one of them. I probably could have lied about who I was going out with and avoided his pissiness, but I don’t believe in lying to your mate, so I was willing to deal with the tantrums and remarks as they came. Eventually, it just seemed easier to have smooth sailing at home than to see those guys once every other month or so. And I let them go.
But hey… lesson learned. I’ll never give up my friends again, I’ll never ask my man to give up his friends, and I don’t think I’d ever choose a guy who would suggest that I should give up people who are close to me for any reason (whether it’s because they’re ex’s or because he doesn’t like ‘em or whatever). And there are definitely guys out there who are secure enough with themselves that they don’t need to sweat it.
I agree with how you handled that situation with that girl, Keith. I can relate. For me, my career is really important and I’ve worked really hard to get to where I’m at. If a guy liked me, but was pissed off that I have to spend so much time working, then he doesn’t really like me for who I am. I’d have to say sayonara to him and find a guy that supports me in my career… and guess what… a guy like that I’d *want* to spend more time with anyway because being around him wouldnt’ be stressful… it’d be something I would look forward to. The same with you and golf, or hockey, or whatever you have a passion for. She has to accept your friends and your passions as a part of who you are.
Keith the Director pontificated
Very true christine, and like you said lesson learned…It is said you always take something from every relationship you have every been in, they just never said it had to be good. B/c in all honesty I learned more about what not to do than how to help in my next relationship if there is going to be one, b/c they way it looks now it’s real dim for the girls around here. The only ones that I’m interested in are conceited bitches who know they look good! When in fact it’s b/c there is minimal to no competetion around here. I can’t stand that…the other girls are just but ugly if there are good looking smoke which is my #1 turn off! Hell I can’t wait to move!!! :-w
Christine the Lioness thought this
It’s sort of a give and take. Having lived half my life in Nebraska and almost half my life in L.A., I think I have first-hand insight on this one. In L.A., people seem to care a lot more about how they look than the people in Nebraska do (I went back to visit my Dad in October and even he pointed out that everywhere we went, guys were staring at me). That doesn’t happen in L.A. Even when I was danced for a little while, I found it much harder to make money at the club I worked at in LA than when I visited my friend in Colorado and we worked a few nights at her club. The competition is just less in the midwest than it is out here where the environment makes women neurotic about having implants and surgeries and tans, etc. in order to compete with each other and maintain the standard of beauty. So, if you’re looking for beautiful girls, there are lots of them in L.A. BUT… on the flip side… I also find that people in L.A. are so obsessed with their looks, a lot of them are just vapid and shallow. Personally, I’m more attracted to a good ole “midwestern boy” type of guy who isn’t scared to come talk to me than a guy who looks like he spends every waking moment worrying about how he looks and has issues up the ass and an ego that I will have to stroke more often than his cock.
And sure… there aren’t a lot of people in LA who smoke (because California laws have made it practically impossible to smoke), which is nice… but being with someone obsessed with the brand of clothes they wear is almost as annoying as being with someone who can’t sit through a dvd with you because they have to take a smoke break every five minutes.
There are thousands of people to date in LA, but I found it was much easier to actually meet guys in Nebraska. Nebraska guys approach girls much more readily than guys in California do… probably because Cali guys are sick of getting blown off, or have their own insecurities about whether they’re worthy to talk to a girl or not. What I’m saying is… the grass is always greener on the other side. I don’t know exactly what it’s like in Pennsylvania, but I’m predicting that moving wouldn’t necessarily solve the problem of finding quality women to date.
Keith the Director spake, and sayeth
Maybe not…but it’s a shot. I’m not saying all PA girls are dogs either. I was in pittsburgh all weekend, and yesterday spent all day in the city for a st. patty’s day celebration/parade and I saw a plethora of beautiful women. So they do exist… Oh nd trust me my ex was hung up on fashions and names etc. I don’t know how you could caompare that to someone who smokes though…you can’t die or get cancer from someone sitting next to you because they are wearing a burberry shirt and tiffany jewlery.
Christine the Lioness got all philosophical
No… but it may make you want to kill yourself if you have to hear one more time how much that Versace skirt or Gucci bag costs.
I’m not saying that I’m not a big fan of Tiffany diamonds… that little signature blue box with a white ribbon makes my heart skip a beat… (just like a good hair cut makes people - men & women- more attractive, so does wearing something that looks expensive and nice) but I think an “obsession” with anything whether it be smoking or working out or having the most expensive designer clothes money can buy makes a person more about a certain “thing” than about what’s really there if that obsession is gone. Granted, smoking is a definite deal-breaker… but so is a guy who can only talk about how great is Carmagia is. Neither one would get past the first date with me… they’re equally annoying.
Keith the Director up'n wrote this
yes i do agree that would be very annoying, and it did get on my nerves when jackie spent $250 on a burberry handbag, and then 2 months later spent $150 n a coach purse, and then bought another coach purse for $185 6 months later b/c it was the “NEW” spring line. How many fucking purses do you need? She even contemplater and cmplained often about wanted a pair of Seven jeans and how bad she hated her freind megahns sister for having them…gimmie a break your ass isn’t gona look any differnet in a pair of $400 seven jeans than it does in a pair of $65 AE jeans. i admit i like nice things to but I don’t brag and talk about them.
Christine the Lioness added
OMG… I seriously don’t know how you tolerated that shit. It’s one of my pet peeves. Granted, I like nice things… but I really don’t feel I need to advertise how much money I make (or my man makes) by having expensive shit just for the sake that it’s expensive. If I like a $200 Vittadini skirt, I buy it. If I like a $12 skirt at Target, I buy that too. As long as they fit and look good, there’s no difference. And anyone spending $400 on a pair of jeans is basically saying “If you stay with me, you’ll be in the poorhouse in a matter of months.”
Keith the Director quibbed this
Yeah well i don’t know how I lasted that long either, but it wasn’t all the time, and it only got progressively worse as it went along. Maybe I did a better job at having selective hearing and tuning out that shit earlier in the relationship.
eric the Lil' Devil mentioned
hey, the day i spend 400 bucks on a fucking pair of jeans, you guys can cut off my legs and i’ll shop at the “just shirts store” forever[-(
Keith the Director got all philosophical
It wasn’t just the jeans though bro. She would go off and buy a shirt $230 b/c it was from BCBG…would would u do then? The only thing after cutting your legs off is death…Do what i do and say fuck it you wanna waste your money on clothes we are having seperate accounts and you are signing a pre-nup!
eric the Lil' Devil chimed in with
fuck it cut off all extremities and hang me on a wall and call me”art”
Keith the Director spake, and sayeth
can I put u on my front door step and call you “matt”?
soccerwolf21 the Virgin commented
I just think the bottom line is either you trust someone or you don’t…if you don’t then you need to be with that person…whether it would be me or someone else.
MY crazy Veiw the Virgin thought this
Ok ladys and gents Ima break it down with a simple joke
What do toliets and women have in common …..with out a hole they wouldnt be worth a shit ….Women are vengeguf crazy creatures deviants at best break one of there hearts or do any thing that then dont agree with then your fucked in ways that you scarcly know exsisted bunch of scheming biatches if yas ask me
Keith the Director scribbled
very valid point mcv
Christine the Lioness added
Oooh. Someone’s a little bitter…
eric the Lil' Devil stated
mcv? our views are so similar we should start a fraternity to promote “the misuse and degredation of women” i know keith and chris would be charter members as well. start recruiting
MissIrish the Groupie scribbled
have you read this forum clearly
mcv? most of the women on this page
dont even begin to fill the profile
of some crazy ass bitch that you
have had to deal with in the past,
so why dont you make some new
generalizations about women….that
will make things all better now=d>
there there dont you feel better?
Christine the Lioness quibbed this
She has a point, Eric. It’s one thing to make generalizations, but to continue to make the same generalizations once you’ve been exposed to an exception… well… that says more about you than the fact you made the generalization to begin with.
But then again, if your identity is based on this “public persona of misusing and degrading women,” it wouldn’t allow for you to change your mind about anything you might be wrong about. I have a feeling that might be the case. And although Christopher assures me there isn’t… I think there must be at least one little warm spot in that tiny grinch heart of yours. Let us see it… come on…
I hate to speak for Christopher… because he’s certainly more than capable of speaking for himself (lol)… but having been in his life for almost 18 months now… I can tell you that despite his jokes about women, and his affection for making fun of me at pretty much every turn, if he’d ever once even thought it was okay to misuse or degrade me, our interaction would have ended long ago. As a matter of fact, I pity whoever decides to insult me or give me a hard time about anything while Christopher’s present. By the time Christopher’s done… well, lets just say… very few people can thwart an onslaught of Christopher’s trash-talking skills. The boy fights fair, but he sure as hell plays to win.
MY crazy Veiw the Virgin penned this
Well then, I say this congrats tyou exceptions…its a shame you dont live in my neck of the woods! I have hunted and search far and wide for a women that didnt fitt my genralazation (forgive my spelling) ,but as far as I am concerend give a women the oppritunity to show her true side by that I mean the vengful hate driven side that powers women then she most certainly will … Now thats not to say that I go around bitch slapping every women on GP belive you me most of them need it …and deserve it I just know that a soon As I do something wrong it is time to become the target of creatures far worse than any terriorist WOMEN ARE CRAZY ..I have seen it first hand a hundred of times …. I just say that if you live with a women then you better sleep with something sharp under your pillow ,because, you never know when your are going to be the target of some freaked out state of I hate you bastard due to the wrong time of the month .thanks for reading my crazy veiw btw I love this site stumbled on to it the other day and it motavated me to post
Keith the Director spake, and sayeth
Christine I absolute agree with your last staement fromt the fact I hung with chris very often in college. He was my beer pong partner for years, and we did win alot. He talked sooo much shit we almost got into fights, and if I recall mayeb 1 or 2 fights did erupt. We also won without even playing people b/c chris and I had them menatlly beat before it began. We were so damn good at what we did we ran through 3 “kegs” of beer at my party without losing! Chris would talk it and I would walk it! Ahhh the good ole days! >-
soccerwolf21 the Virgin up'n wrote this
Hey- I am not a bitch…I have a temper and don’t appreciate being wronged by men or women. And i tend to react the same to both…But I have a big heart and have been wronged plenty and have made some bad choices but I have killed anyone yet or thwarted them so bad with my”evil, vengeful side” at all. I’ve done some name-calling too.
DAMN! IM A HUMAN BEING CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT? 8-|
(Sarcasm)
Not everyone is perfect and Im sure youve done somethings that you are not proud of- we all have…But we are human too.. I mess up too..But your generalization of women sucks…not all women are like that…Grow up. the idea to maturity or being reasonable being able to stand back and realize that your badass experience with specific women does not mean in GENERAL we are all bitches…l-)
soccerwolf21 the Virgin mentioned
I meant I haven’t been so vengeful…whoops got love typos…:\”>
Christine the Lioness up'n wrote this
Soccer… do you really think explaining to them that ALL women aren’t evil will make a difference? I think you’d have better luck explaining the fundamentals of scientology to an ear of corn. At least the ear of corn would listen.
eric the Lil' Devil commented
hey baby, don’t worry i know what my boy is capable of. ive had his back from day one as well as keith’s,hell keith and i almost took on an entire frat when i was out on bail! believe me sugar bumps we’ve been outnumbered and under estimated and always come out on top .
Keith the Director uttered
Oh yeah i remeber that shit eric…those abercrombie and fitch wearing fags had no idea the shit storm they were in for if we had gone to blows with them. I’m curious I/we have given valid reasons to prove how bitchy woman can be…with all of my life lessons i need some refutable evidence to prove otherwise besides a woman saying I’m not a bitch!
soccerwolf21 the Virgin thought this
Well I got to vent anyway…whatever you want to think. >-
eric the Lil' Devil quibbed this
ok, here we go again, people act as if my generalizations are from a small target group of similar women, i won’t mention numbers but lets put it this way; did you ever see the side lines of a football game when the players and coaches are ready to start? well let both teams meet in the fucking middle and that’s a semi decent guess! and please don’t believe me and go ahead and talk to my boys on this site, my point being? if you are not like the women that i have mentioned, trust me wolfy, you’re a fucking bad relationship and a night of drinking away from it. or maybe you are the exception right? get the fuck outa here!? no kidding? well i’ve only heard that a few hundred times. just in venting it was a vent first think later reaction,most women are too passionate to with hold feelings like that. and by most i mean all:-@
Christine the Lioness mentioned
eric… I’m starting to wonder if you don’t have the ability to turn pretty much any woman into a hateful bitch…
Soccer… I think you both might be right on this one. All women aren’t bitches… but I think maybe all the ones Eric interacts with prove to be.
eric the Lil' Devil asserted
thanks for the backup sweetie> <
Christine the Lioness said this
LOL, Eric! You do realize that when you say *all* women, you’re including me, right? I don’t mind backing you up, but come on… let go of the hate, darlin’…
eric the Lil' Devil chimed in with
ok, from now on my comments do not pertain to christine! just to all other women, that is until she stabs me or wrecks my passport like she did to chris’ ferrari:-”
Keith the Director added
Venting is the femal term for verbaly abusing men and getting or trying to get away with it with no reprocussions. Unfortunately those laws don’t apply here as eric has proven [-( Nice Job bro, and props on excluding Christine until she inflicts immediate damge upon you It was a nice touch of class!!!! >-
MissIrish the Groupie up'n wrote this
if men and women could play a football game together, that would be a huge
success towards something that has never completely been solved….and if that
were to happen then the mystery behind men and women would be found out…
only in a strange new world would that happen!!! but it would be nice to see atleast
one time in a lifetime eh? >-
Christine the Lioness up'n wrote this
Miss I… I don’t think Eric was implying that women and men should play football… I think he was giving an obscure reference to the number of women he’s slept with by comparing it to the number of players on a football team x 2. Not sure though… I re-read this comment twice and still couldn’t figure it out…
But wise choice to exclude me, E. It’s like adding an indemnity clause to a contract that basically exempts you from any accountability at all. I don’t know if it implies “class” as Keith suggests… but it certainly shows the boy has brains. LOL!
eric the Lil' Devil spake, and sayeth
i’ve got so much claas that i allow my girlfriend to use my sack as a bib when she is eating my cock!>:/
Keith the Director penned this
If men and women really did play a game of football against each other…there would be undisbutable proof who the lesser sex is, and all the “GLAD” dykes, and feminsist woman in “NOW” would know that men are just simply better at sports than women. I mean if you haven’t figured it out already woman can’t compete on the same field as men when it comes to sports such as football, hockey, soccer, basketball, even baseball which is why they require seperate leagues.
Keith the Director asserted
Eric that is the penultimate example of manners…I mean how much more gentlemanly can you be he offered a bib for christ sake! What a outstanding display of manners on your part! =d> I Commend you keep up the good work!
Christine the Lioness stated
Really, Keith???? Is that why there are seperate leagues for highly physical contact sports???? Seriously??? Thank God you’re around to enlighten us on such subtleties… maybe next you can explain to us why there are no urinals in the womens’ restrooms…
Although I’d love to see you play a little one-on-one basketball against Temeka Johnson (she plays for the L.A. Sparks in the WNBA)… I think we might really see who’s out of their “league” then… so while yes, the best women still would have trouble beating the best men in the sports you mentioned, I don’t think they’d have that much trouble beating you…
BTW– re #83, when that’s done right, there’s no need for a bib…
eric the Lil' Devil asserted
christine, i now pledge my undying love for you 
Christopher the Pyro quibbed this
lol, she chewed you up and spit you out keith
Keith the Director chimed in with
For starters Christine…There are no urinals in womens batherooms b/c they have penis envy, and with the technology we have today we could devise a device so women could urinate while standing, but they are to fucking lazy do it! 2. Tameka whoever the fuck she is got nothing for me..I’ll sit back and rain 3’s on her ass all day… and she sure as shit is not strong enough to drive me to the hole b/c she is a woman. By rights being a woman I will put her in her rightful place on all fours in front of me! =;
Christine the Lioness commented
You’ll “rain 3s on her ass all day,” huh? Tell me something, do you still believe in the Easter bunny too? )
After a one-on-one game between Keith and Temeka…
b-( < --Keith Temeka --> (:|
Keith the Director scribbled
You have no idea how much game I got, in fact i just finished playing today and hit 6/10 from beyond the arc and 4/6 from inside “AGAINST MEN” she has shit for me…plus your dead wrong with yor assumption of the afte effects of the 1 on 1 game…B/c I will have the last laugh b/c she will find it’s hard to walk after a dry ass raping which will be the 3 rd hold I hit after the actual basket and her pussy! [-x
eric the Lil' Devil got all philosophical
wow, now that was poetic!i love it when you guys argue=d>
Christopher the Pyro chimed in with
Round One: Christina
Round Two: Christina
Keith don’t worry you still have 10 rounds to go, but Christine might be gearing up for the knockout… hey can’t win them all.
Keith the Director up'n wrote this
:-t Not feeling the love here Chris…but hey I’ve been behind the 8 ball and came back to win numerous times..remember the party in cedar brook when “I” cleaned house on the beer pong table on redemption to hit 6 straight to force overtime? Then we knocked those 3 down in-a-row? you talked shit the whole way through lol! Well this isn’t even close to that level of competative pressure! )
Keith the Director got all philosophical
Christine Let me also add that after thinking this through for a day the realization came to me that even though Tameka is (uh hem) *cough* a pro ball player! She defintely cannot out ball me… I mean get serious she is all of 5′3″ she could stand up and suck my dick! She is not driving to any hole at that height and weighing in at a whomping 143 lbs In fact be assured the only hole she will be driving is her own pussy with her fingers as I’m fucking her in the ass! >:/ I just looked over her stats she is no ourside threat either 13/43 from 3 land in an entire yr? I made more than that in less attempts playing in 3 or 4 pick-up games in an 1hr and a 1/2 span against good players! (all Men all 5′11″ - 6′5″ aged 23-31) ^ ^
Christopher the Pyro spake, and sayeth
She’s 5′3″.. ok Christine.. she could get school by any man who is halfass, it’s just about impossible to make up at 7″ height advantage, why do you think shaq is so much better then peopel who are 6′9.. it certainly isn’t because he’s actually as talented.. (he is talented but he doesn’t have AI’s skills). As for Tameka.. I thought she was a real WNBA balla.. somethin like 6′5 and could dunk on Keith’s ass I’m SERIOUSY disappointed with your choice of a player here…
Round 3: Keith - Regardless of what Christine say’s.
Keith the Director chimed in with
Ahhhhh Justice! b-(
Christine the Lioness remarked
You’re sort of missing the point, boys… I didn’t even know she was 5′3″… I was just picking a name off a roster… I don’t even watch WNBA. But the truth is… most of the women in the WNBA are areound 6′ - 6′3″ so if Temeka’s making the team at a foot shorter, she must be pretty damn good.
If you want to get hung up on her particular stats, go ahead… I think you’re just scrambling for something to support this ridiculous idea that Keith (who plays pick-up ball with a bunch of other white boys after work at the local YMCA) could beat a pro female ball player simply because she’s a woman.
You know she’d kick your ass up and down that court, and so do I… but believe whatever it is that you need to believe to feel like a man, Keith… I don’t want to burst the machismo bubble that you spend so much time polishing.
Christine the Lioness uttered
You can try to make this about one particular player… but then you’re completely missing the point. Keith originally said that he could beat any woman because she’s a woman and he’s a man… I’m saying that’s not the case. And it’s just silly to think that it is… since it’s completely illogical to think that some white boy could beat a woman who gets paid to train 6 hours a day at basketball and plays every single day of her life, and is the best of the women players simply because he is a man… I’m surprised Christopher (who prides himself on basing everything in logic) would agree with something so asanine.
If you’re suggesting that no female player in the WNBA could beat Keith, you seriously need to regroup and check out reality. If you’re suggesting that he could be beat by some women, but not Temeka Johnson, then you essentially aren’t agreeing with his original premise anyway because he contends he can beat all women. Now you sure you still want to agree with that? Just checking.
eric the Lil' Devil penned this
easy baby! calm down! just try lisa leslie or something don’t try and justify tameka?
Keith the Director quibbed this
I never said i played against white boys…in fact 90% of the ppl I live around that plays ball is black! Not that color of skin has any fucking issue here at all…I may be white, but I can ball! And apparently I’m not the only one on this planet that is white can ball either. The greatest shooter in the history of basketball…Pistol Pete was white… top two greatest passer Larry Bird - white.
Look now who is everyone talking about? (Duke’s) Redick - white, (Gonzaga’s) Morrison - white. Arguably “the” two best players in college ball right now! Oh and G. Macnamara from syracuse oh white! Color means shit. If you got game you got game! And I would be more than fucking exilerated to fucking take on lisa fucking leslie 6′ whatever her skinny ass! I drive on 6′5″ (black and white for the color issue) men and score I don’t fear anyone. I play good hard ball against very good “Men” some who actually played ball in college. And I actually do play in a league there sweetheart not just pick-up! i was using pick-up stats as an example!
Also the worst part about your statement is the fact that they train 6 hours and are supposedly great….You can put me at the free throw line any day of the week any time of day and I will make no less than 60-70%. Thats better than over half the Wnba and the nba. Look it up! Thats why the nba is joke it’s all run and gun dunk this dunk that. No skill involved. Raise the rim 2ft. and make ppl learn how to shoot again! Actual conversation I had…
Cory: “Shaq is so fucking good…wow did you see that dunk!” “man he is talented.”
Me: “yeah he is real sweet, what a display of talent he had to jump a whole foot and a half to put that ball in the hoop.” “What a stud” ” oh wait damn he is actually really good he’s a 32% free throw shooter, yep he’s got mad skill”
Cory: silence no comment..pause…”but he’s so good down low he got skills low!”
Me: “Now your reaching, he’s twice the man anyone else is he’s so fucking big no one can top his ass” “That’s all size not skill”
Cory: “What about Kobe, and Iverson, and lebron?”
Me: Kobe is good I give him credit he can shoot good, but he’s no Jordan, Miller or 10 other guys I could name right now as pure shooters, but he’s got game!”
Cory: and Iverson?
Me:Fuck! If I shot the ball 75x a game I could score 50 points as well…he’s not good he’s selfish and never passes to anyone thats how he scores so much! Lebron is the same way he’s not quite as bad, but he’s a selfish player as well, but he’s better than iverson b/c he is more of a team player but not by much!
Christine the Lioness quibbed this
You’re trying to tell us that you’re better than the guys in the NBA now? Come on, Keith… don’t you think this is getting a little out of hand?
Keith the Director stated
I didn’t say that at all…you are missing my point! If I was better than them I would be playing in the nba would I not? I’m just saying these guys get paid fucking millions upon millions to do something that they (supposedly) practice everyday and yet can’t get it done! Yet there are guys in my league that have better free throw %’s than over half the nba and we play 2x a week with no practice time!
Just an example of my last game last week…
I would just like to know why and how “I” can go to work all week not touch a ball until thursday…get in a game that has 4 15 mins quarters! Play this game go 6/9 from 3 pt land , 3/5 FG and shoot 4/4 100% from the line? Totals…14 shots = 24 points Plus free throws - 28 points! Just curious???? Cause right now I’m real discombobulated on the fact that I don’t get paid a dime and I do this week in week out I’m not always 100% from the line but never been worse than 60% in a game this year, and I have never played a game where I scored less than 12 points! I’m not nba material by any means I don’t have the height, but I can shoot, which is more than I can say for a lot more than a few in the nba… Oh and did I mention thatgame was against 2 nfl football players by the name of Dan Krieder Steelers FB 5′-11″ 255lbs, and Tommy Maddox ex-Steelers QB 6′-4″ 220 1lbs and guys comperable to this size? Oh…I guess i didn’t!
Christine the Lioness stated
Okay… I see where you’re going with this. And I can agree to a point… for example… am I the best writer in the world? No. Are there better writers than me who aren’t making a living by writing. I’m sure of it. Now does that matter? Not in the slightest. There are a lot of variables involved with why people get to where they are.
But going back to the original premise you made… you said you could beat any woman because you’re a man. Now maybe, if you’re as good as you say you are, you could beat most… you could maybe even beat a woman in the WNBA. But I am pretty sure that there is a woman out there (maybe even more than one ) that could beat you.
You’re trying to make a generalization about gender differences and the ability to be good at basketball. The truth is… there are a lot of different variables that factor in. Let’s say you’re stronger than she is and maybe taller, but she might be faster or have a better average of hitting her layups. You might have a better average at 3 pointers, but she never misses a free throw, and so on and so on. You might be having an off day and she could be playing one of her best games ever. Do you see what I mean?
