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Ben2 the Soldier (56) Haas the Addict commented
?It is virtually impossible to commit a crime with you around.?
The key word is Virtually and seems like Chris you managed to get one done without much prob 
Ben the Kingpin remarked
1) It was a crime.
2) “Litter” does not include bio-matter such as orange peals or apple cores. There’s actually a federal case that was decided on the matter (or so I’ve been told). An orange peal breaks down and fertilizes the soil over a short period of time. It is not “littering” to dispose of it as you described.
Christine 2 the Mercenary thought this
You can’t litter with an orange..it’s biodegradable
Christopher the Pyro asserted
Thank you that is what I told her..
I actually pointed out that I was just being kind of critters and being an animal lover by feeding the ants… as for commiting a crime.. by stealing.. heh.. ya.. ok. Guilty.
Christine the Lioness mentioned
Does an orange peel biodegrade when you throw it on the cement in the street? Come on you guys… it’s not like he was creating compost. He threw it next to someone’s driveway and basically made the street I live on look trashy. There’s a reason why people throw apple cores and orange peels in the trash instead of dumping them outside. It’s just disrespectful. Period.
MissIrish the Groupie spake, and sayeth
was there an abundance of oranges on that tree…or were there only 5 oranges like on your minature tree? do you think that, the owner of that tree was counting on that one
orange to make his fresh glass of orange juice? its like picking a flower…if it is in
someones yard, dont go and pick it but if the tree was hanging over their fence then I say its fair game.
as for the littering, atleast its not real garbage that will pollute the streets
it might leave a nice citrus scent for whoever walks by!:\”>
Christine 2 the Mercenary scribbled
People are so funny. Here we are discussing the environmental effects of littering with fruit peels, and yet we probably all drive cars. If anyone here has ever drank coffee out of a styrafoam cup, they should go sit in the corner for time out. [-(
Christine the Lioness scribbled
This is not about littering! This is about feeling entitled enough to take something that clearly doesn’t belong to you… nor was it offered to you (and it’s not like he was starving or his blood sugar was so low he needed an orange– I just made him a steak sandwich and strawberries for lunch). It’s also about not respecting the place where other people live… because you feel it’s okay to just toss down an orange peel instead of putting it in the trash where it can biodegrade or feed the ants, or what the fuck ever you expect it to do… where it won’t be an eyesore when someone comes out of their apartment (namely me) and has to look at someone else’s trash. This is not a difficult concept, people! 
Christine 2 the Mercenary hunt n' pecked this
Ok, I’ll give you that. He shouldn’t just go pick peoples fruit trees just to do it. If they took the time to plant it and care for it, it is disrespectful to take it, even if the tree decides to not obey property lines and grow over the sidewalk, like the tree even knows. So therefore, you shouldn’t do that, because it’s not their fault, and if they had a fence, at least they were trying. But we’re talking about Christopher here…. In fact, I’ll go so far as to suggest to Christopher that his actions were rather democrat-like, letting other people do the work, and you reaping the benefits with no conscience of the after-effects. HAHA =))
Christopher the Pyro spake, and sayeth
Ahh once again the masses have sided with common sense… there was more oranges then I could count on this tree.. (but I estimate there were at least a few thousand).. so nobody was starving because I needed some citrus. Christine 2.. you do have a good point I was acting like a good liberal and leeching off other people.. god.. ok.. I’m convinced.. I won’t steal oranges anymore.
Christine 2 the Mercenary up'n wrote this
hahaha=))
aJ the Zen Master pontificated
Just because the orange peel is biodegradable does not mean he should litter the street.
Would one of you, knowing that the peel is bio-degradable, throw it on your living room floor?
I doubt any of you would. Why not treat littering the street similarly? Yes there _is_ someone to clean it but do you have to still throw the peel on the street instead of maybe walking with it a little more and then throwing it in a bin :-w
Christine the Lioness stated
Thank you, aJ. That is the exact (somewhat obvious question) I pose as well. And anyone who tries to make the point that it won’t biodegrade without being “out in the elements” is missing the point completely… so don’t even go there!
Rob the Soldier hunt n' pecked this
Is it littering when you throw a banana peel (also biodegradable) on the sidewalk? How about a puddle of olive oil? At least throw it in the bushes, Chris!
Christopher the Pyro pontificated
Whatever, where she lives that orange peel looks good in compairison to the other shit on her road.. in reality after I had thrown the orange down, the street’s appearance actually improved..
Christine 2 the Mercenary hunt n' pecked this
I think orange peels in some classy neighborhood street our the least of our environmental worries. Does no one in this discussion drive a car? And ya’ll live in LA for Buddah’s sake!!!!! I think that before we worry about Chris throwing orange peels in the street, we should worry about Paris Hilton breathing our damn air! She pollutes more than Chris everytime she opens her mouth.:-?
aJ the Zen Master remarked
Lol.. I agree with Christine 2 on this ‘un.. 
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We should pass a law against such people for polluting our environments
Christine the Lioness said this
That’s like anti-War people telling everyone we shouldn’t worry about animal rights when people are dying in Iraq. As human beings, are we so limited that we can only focus on one social issue at a time? At your job, when your boss comes in and asks you to do something, do you say, “I’m sorry… I don’t know how you can expect me to return a client’s phone call when I’ve got bigger things to worry about… like finishing my expense report!” I maen, come on… Sure Paris Hilton wastes oxygen… sure the exhaust from cars is an air pollutant… but just because we can find bigger problems doesn’t mean Christopher should toss his trash wherever he wants. You guys are masters at trying to divert from the subject and make things more complicated than they are. Just because Kenneth Lay bilked people out of millions of dollars doesn’t mean Martha Stewart is innocent because what she did wasn’t as bad. I don’t get you guys’ thinking at all.
Christine 2 the Mercenary quibbed this
Oh come on! What ever happened to the “sense of humor” thing? Besides…this isn’t really making it more complicated than it is by including the fact that there really ARE bigger things to worry about. It IS just an orange peel. That’s it. Cars probably ran it over and grinded it into the pavement. I doubt anyone on that street saw that and decided to move to a better neighborhood. I don’t think we are the ones making this more complicated than it is. Just take a deep breath and remember…it’s just an orange peel. Not an atom bomb.
aJ the Zen Master quibbed this
Chris 2, so suppose I only pickpocket you and not mug you, it absolves me?
I mean it’s only taking your money, not hurting you physically!
Or many other examples.
Just because it might not be a large “crime” (I don’t consider the littering as a crime, I only use the word generically) does not mean it is not. It still is and the punishment level reflect how serious or frivolous it is.
Christine the Lioness chimed in with
Excellent point, aJ. You’re right… but I also see it less as a “crime” and more of the sense of entitlement and lack of respect for others that’s the problem. And that problem is much bigger than simply taking an orange that chances are… no one cares about anyway…
Another thought, Christine 2… how can you possibly expect anyone to care about children starving in Africa, or people dying in warfare, when you think it’s perfectly okay to excuse Christopher from caring about the people who live in his own neighborhood (or practically his own neighborhood)? If you can’t respect the people you see and interact with on a daily basis, why should we expect him to respect people he’ll never meet in his life? I mean… it’s something to think about, right?
Christine 2 the Mercenary got all philosophical
I see your point, but I doubt it’s something I’ll think about. First of all, I never stated that I cared about starving Africans, or victims of war. Not that I don’t, I just never brought it up. Plus, you said in an earlier statement that this wasn’t about littering, and it was about him stealing an orange (which I agreed with you, that was not respectful). Plus, I don’t EXPECT anyone to care about shit that affects other people, most people are all talk, and no action. I guess my point is, it’s not my responsibility to care about whether Christopher cares about other people or not. I might disagree with him on some issues, but I’m not losing sleep over it. I have the right to do my part, and he has the right to do whatever he wants as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else. And, let me reiterate one last important point: IT’S AN ORANGE PEEL. Not starving children, natural disaster victims, disabled people, the unemployment rate, or some other platform for reelection. Although I feel like I’m going to sound as insensitive as Christopher when I say this, but I threw a banana peel out my window the other day on the way to work, and thought of ya’ll. But only for a second. Then I laughed when some innocent jogger slipped on it like a cartoon and busted his face on the pavement. Serves him right for polluting my nice neighborhood street with his short shorts. =))
Christine the Lioness hunt n' pecked this
Christine 2… you don’t care about littering, or starving African children, or war victims… but you care about us driving cars… 
???????????????
We will never, ever, ever, ever give up driving cars… ever. And quite frankly, despite the fact they don’t help the environment, they sure help us do a lot of other worthwhile things… so let’s regroup and focus on reality.
By the way… once you give up your car, you won’t have a window to toss out your banana peel… it will be a pity. But then again… I’d hate to accuse you of being “all talk, and no action.”
Christopher the Pyro asserted
I don’t care about staving african’s.. or driving cars either.. but I do think it is my right to feed the ants, especially in the hood… yes yes I have the not in my backyard mentality… I think rob has a story about throwing food from his car also… ROB ARE YOU STILL READING THIS!
Christine 2 the Mercenary commented
Ok, did some research to put this argument to rest. Kinda. According to Gary Bogue, squirrels eat oranges from trees, and leave half the peel behind. Damn litterbugs. Or…litter…squirrels. Rats hollow out the entire peel. According to http://www.blueplanetbiomes.org, Llamas prefer orange peels as treats. So any llamas in the area that day were probable pretty happy. / Also, according to the California Waste Management Bulletin, an orange peel takes approx. 2-5 weeks to completely decompose, which gives those llamas extra time to show up for the treat Christopher left them. This is also the quickest decomposing waste out of the entire litter study (including the most litter found on interstates and highways in California). Plus, it turns out that orange peels are being used in Florida to create a methanol based renewable energy fuel cell that will power a rest area on an interstate highway. So, I’ve learned something today. Christopher shouldn’t have littered the peel, or thrown it away. He should have recycled it! So technically, everyone has been wrong. Throwing it away did just as little as throwing it on the street. But…recycling it would have helped us fuel a truckstop. Not bad. >- As a side note to Christine: I was wondering if you agree with those rules that regulate people in certain neighborhoods (how high to keep your fence, what colors you can paint your house, what car you can leave in your driveway, etc.)? Just curious.
Christine 2 the Mercenary hunt n' pecked this
First of all Christine, you should reread my post. I said “not that I don’t, I just never brought it up”. Secondly, we won’t stop driving cars, but there are alternative fuel options that aren’t being pursued because of the value of using oil. And, if you care so much about war victims, maybe you should consider the second motive of the war which is curiously coincidentally one of the OTHER reasons we invaded the country we did. We didn’t find weapons of mass destruction, but we DID find oil. Although…we already knew it was there…hmmmm. Plus, I don’t drive a car…I drive an environmentally safe hovercraft that not only gets me from point A to point B, but it restores the ozone layer, adopts orphans, and feeds one african child for every mile I hover.
Christine the Lioness chimed in with
Okay… so props to C2 for actually taking the time to research this instead of just pulling it out of her ass like the rest of us. With that said… since there are no llamas in Torrance (which is a big disappointment I know)… that peel would sit there for 4-5 weeks or until someone else picks it up and throws it away. And the recycling thing is actually pretty interesting… hooray for whoever took the initiative to figure that out. So C2 is actually suggesting that Christopher *recycle* something… you OBVIOUSLY don’t know Christopher.
As for your side note… yes, I do agree with homeowners associations setting rules about how your house can look if you live in a certain neighborhood. Call me fascist… but I believe that they go far in making sure some slob next door doesn’t move in and bring down everyone else’s property value because they want to put a tire-less car on the lawn and paint the house primary colors. If you don’t like those rules (my feeling is) that you can always buy a house in a different neighborhood and do whatever you want.
Christine 2 the Mercenary pontificated
Ok, good point. I disagree, but I do see where you’re coming from on that one. I just won’t move into a neighborhood like that. Plus, they wouldn’t have an outlet for my hover.
Christine 2 the Mercenary thought this
Just want to add, that besides having a weird sense of humor, I’m not a total asshole. I actually help out in my own little ways. I foster rescued dogs, actually just found a new home for my current foster lab. (Yippee!!) That should cancel out the banana peel thing.
Christopher the Pyro asserted
Christine your a fascist.
Trouble the Pirate mentioned
Next time Chris, urinate on the orange peel so it’ll biodegrade faster…
Christine the Lioness asserted
Great advice, Trouble… thanks a lot.
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