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Ben2 the Soldier (56) Christine the Lioness thought this
So basically be his slave, do whatever he wants whenever he wants, and don’t expect anything in return… you may be trying to help women avoid getting out of a relationship, but I think you’ve just talked them out of ever wanting one (at least with you)! LOL!
BTW… #4… ladies, I agree… practicing several times a day is important, especially on one of the hotties you work with during your lunch break… and especially if your co-worker is hotter than your boyfriend! 
Christopher the Pyro asserted
I totally support this habit… Christine actually got that idea from me because I kept telling her how all the girls that work for me, keep giving me these amazing blow jobs during their lunch breaks.. because they were practicing for their guys.
Christine the Lioness added
I guess that explains the sexual harrassment charges…
At first he told me it was a conspiracy by his boss to get rid of him so they could hire more black women to replace him… I guess the “time off” wasn’t a vacation after all…
eric the Lil' Devil up'n wrote this
ladies, bootie camp is a long standing institution that should not be taken lightly! those of you who choose to take this as a joke will inevitably be dumped for a prior graduate or future prospect.
Keith the Director mentioned
I agree whole hartedly will of of the afrementione rules to keeping a award;ing and long lasting relationship…Following these rules doesn’t constitute slavery…Its as is, a few guidelines on how to help keep your man happy instead of pissing him off. Most of the time if you are giving him head, and sex on a regular basis he is generally a happy guy. It’s when this activity slows down to a 3x a week or less type of behavior is why men go in search of other playmates. Not b/c he doesn’t liek you or find youattractive anymore it’s b/c you aren’t putting out. People are inherently needing to satisfy basic primal needs…it’s a given and if you aren’t giving guess what 2+2 still =4! Men compromise in our relationships all the time. Women say they compromise, but giving only 1 day a week to play golf is not compromising. It’s bull shit! Being gone for 5-6 hours to play golf isn’t going to kill you. Now if he cancels plans to go golf thats a different story, but you can’t bitch when hes walking out the door or you call his cell and he’s on his way to the course and you say I thought we were having dinner with so and so or I thought we were doing this? No, if you want to make plans youneed to plan ahead. men are more organized than you give us credit for. Following these few simple rules will defintehelp any enept woman realize the error of her ways. As will it help capable women as to flurishing their existing ones! Good Luck!
Lei the Mercenary up'n wrote this
Why am I not shocked reading this post from Christopher? Nor was I surprised upon knowing the other guys supported his advices.. LOL! Ladies, be warned. Following all those advices would constitute tolerance for slavery (like what Christine said) and martyrdom, you being the poor recipient of it.[-x
Christopher the Pyro mentioned
The only thing the ladies will be receiving if they follow my good advice is some good dick!
eric the Lil' Devil quibbed this
it’s attitudes like that, that will keep women out of rewarding relationships! shame on you lei[-x
Lei the Mercenary scribbled
You call that a relationship?? If a “rewarding relationship” would make me a “yes-girl” with no better judgement than to do whatever he wants and expect nothing in return, well no thank you, I’ll pass. Ya know, with the right motivation, women are more than willing to freely give everything their men want as long as they’re treated well, their efforts appreciated and reciprocated. And it should be more than just “some good dick.”
Keith the Director penned this
In th ened it’s all about sex in the realtionship anyway right? I mean guys we have our boys to go out with, play golf, basketball football what have you. Ladies likewise you have your girls to go to lunch shopping, purse and tupperware parties. We go do those things to eventually come home meet up with significant other eat dinner and then get it on! Thats a healthly and happy relationship! 
Lei the Mercenary commented
How very simple you put it, Keith. I really wish it’s that simple. I don’t have problem letting my significant other do the things that makes him happy like play golf, hang out with his friends, etc., and vice versa, as long as there’s trust and respect… So, it?s a happy relationship. And it?s achieved through compromise, give-and-take, and not having the relationship revolved on what the man wants the woman to do or not do to make HIM happy. Likewise, it should not be a case of making the man happy first for him to make you “happy” also.
Keith the Director thought this
Well I say it so simply b/c when you break it down it’s exactly as simple as is…I understand the compromise of such things but if woman would understand that what we want is the simple things in life and to not make a big deal of those little things..things would run smoothly…Props to you for letting your man go golf and hang with his boys you are on the right path to a happy long lasting relationship!! =d> All women shoul dbe as understanding as Lei…woman take a look and ^ 
^ this is your role model
Lei the Mercenary added
Aw, don’t patronize me, Keith.. I can be very demanding, you know.;) And I also have the natural tendency to follow one or more of Christine’s advices on “how to piss your bf off when you’re already fighting” That’s to let you have an idea what an “understanding” girl like me is capable of.
Keith the Director remarked
Ouch….see you are just as vindictive as those other crazy women we all speak of Let me now try harder to bring you away from christines eveil darkside forces and draw you back to light I liked you better when you said you liked to let you man go play golf and hang with his friends.
Christopher the Pyro added
Christine has come down with the flu bug today.. I suspect this is God’s retribution for her walking on the darkside so much. :-”
Lei the Mercenary pontificated
No really, Christine has the flu? My, sorry to hear that.. Poor Christine, look at what she got from putting up with you guys. I hope she gets well soon, tho.
Lei the Mercenary spake, and sayeth
And Keith, yeah I let my man do the things he has to do except, perhaps, to cheat on me or go to strip clubs, because that would be another story.. Well anyway, I also like me better when I’m understanding and all that.;) But you know, a woman just can’t help being vindictive sometimes, with what you men do or don’t do in a relationship that drives us crazy. # 
aJ the Zen Master uttered
Though interesting advice, I would never want such a girl.. I mean, if you really want someone like that, become a sugar daddy 
Pay her good money/gifts/what-nots and I’m sure she’ll do all that.. And we already have multiple words to term such women
IMO, the girls should be treated as queens and as Lei said, their efforts should be appreciated and reciprocated
Lei the Mercenary chimed in with
[-o< Thank God for AJ
Keith the Director penned this
Hey there is nothing wrong with strip clubs Lei! Not that I frquent them very often in fact it is few and far between. The fact remains though the man goes there spends a few dollards to see some new titties and ass and then comes home to you…It’s just as though he look at a playboy magazine only it’s live. I agree with the cheating thing, thats just wrong, but don’t set boundries like you can do this and notthat. people in general hate when you tell them what theycan and can’t do. Guesswhat you make it a point to tell him he can’t go there and bitch about it…he’s on his way there next time out with his buddies I guarentee it. Be cool and stay as you are and you2 will have a grat relationship. if my EX-g/f was half as reasonable as you I’d still be with her! Don’t change Lei stay on the pathof the light! Or you may getthe flu like christine now has
aJ the Zen Master up'n wrote this
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Christopher the Pyro stated
I don’t think I ever mentioned mistreating the women..
Keith the Director up'n wrote this
Actualy now that i read back myself i don’t recall saying anything about mistreating women either…in fact if you re-read carefully what I said I’m giving women their space as well to go out with her girls and do the things she wants to do!
Christine the Lioness remarked
It’s funny that Christopher doesn’t see that what he put in the post itself is inherently mistreating the woman… I agree with aJ. I think you guys think it’s funny to *act* like this is what you want from a woman to impress your guy friends… but in reality, most men don’t want a slave that never expresses her opinion and doesn’t really care enough about them as a couple to have any issues with him hanging out at strip clubs. The truth is… a good guy will want his woman to communicate to him if something bothers her… because a good guy doesn’t want to intentionally do things to upset the woman in his life. He wants her to be happy. To suggest that even if she has a problem with him going to a strip club, she should just shut up and not mention it and hope that that will make him think she’s cool, which may then in turn make him not want to go to a strip club is ludicrous. That makes it sound like the reason he’s going to a strip club is to maybe find someone better because his current girlfriend isn’t that cool. If that’s the case, then he obviously hasn’t found anything that cool about her by the time they get into the relationship, then he should probably call it quits with her anyway. If she’s cool enough to get that far into a relationship with, then why does she need to prove it to you by not having an issue about you going to strip clubs when it really does bother her. I don’t think expecting one person to just accept everything the other person does and never communicate how they feel about it if it bothers them is good for a relationship at all. Eventually, that person who wasn’t allowed to communicate will express it in some other way. In any relationship, communication is key to longevity. She has every right to tell you it bothers her, and if you still want to do it, be a man and tell her that it’s what you’re going to do and she can either live with it or not. Or… if you know she doesn’t like it and the relationship is more important to you than going to a strip club, then don’t do it.
The “bootie camp” thing is another issue. If you feel like you have to “teach” an adult woman what to do in bed to please you, you should probably just go find someone else. People in relationships express how they feel for each other through their sex… and to basically take everything she’s willing to do for you to make you happy sexually and act like it’s worthless because she doesn’t take it in the ass or swallow instead of spit, or whatever, is really not seeing her as a person, but a sex object instead. If you don’t think the two of you are sexually compatible, then break up and move on. Finding someone who is good in bed is important in a relationship, so move on if she doesn’t float your boat. The funny thing is… I don’t know many guys who take it well when the woman tries to explain that they’re not performing oral very well. This shit is easy… think about how you would feel if it were reversed.
I would hope that the things that a woman (and a man) could do to keep a relationship going are things like: listen to him when he talks, be there for him when he needs you, respect what he needs as well as his things, don’t ever use sex as a weapon, help him out if he needs help, communicate with him so he never has to guess what you’re thinking, and stand by him when he feels like the world is against him. And the same goes for how a man should keep a woman. If she’s got a deadline that’s making her crazy and her apartment is a mess, clean her apartment for her. If she’s sick and doesn’t feel like getting out of bed, cook something for her, even if it’s just soup. If she asks you to do something for her, assume she wouldn’t ask unless it was important to her, and make doing it a priority. The exact same goes for women too.
If you’re not ready to do that, then you’re not ready for a relationship. And you certainly shouldn’t be giving advice about how to stay in one…
Lei the Mercenary chimed in with
=d> Very well said, Christine. I agree totally.
eric the Lil' Devil remarked
ok, now i must chime in! let me start by saying all women are whores! ok, now hold that overreaction ladies! this in no way makes you worse than men! men are the worst creatures on earth when it comes to fidelity! when i say whores i don’t mean sheer numbers of partners, because a woman could have one and still be a whore. she’s only a whore for her husband! ok now ladies… how many times have you been out of the mood but went along with it to satisfy your significant other? ok you all have! don’t lie! now how many have used sex in reference to leverage? again, don’t lie! men are creatures of want, not so much need! this is why most men fall victim to the grass is greener bug! thinking they are missing out on something. i admit i have lost many a good woman because of my, well, lack of attention span, or tolerance level? but i always enjoyed a woman who will do the little things that christopher mentioned out of freewill but if i never would of communicated my needs she would have had to find a map? ladies that i please are told that if they believe i could do something to get them there faster or better, tell me how or what to change! believe me i may be expirienced but every woman has their own schematic! a good lover is one who is open to change and expirimentation in essence becoming the complete lover to all prospective partners. ok, wow that hurt! i feel like “frank the tank” from”old school after the debate!”
eric the Lil' Devil up'n wrote this
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Lei the Mercenary spake, and sayeth
The operative words there, Eric, are “freewill” and “communicating your needs” like what you said in your comment. Generally, women are willing to do little things for their man like cook for him, clean his house, etc. These are out of her own freewill and not because her man tells or requires her to. Now, as with communicating your needs, this should work both ways not just the man having the need to tell the woman what he needs or wants. And of course, they have to listen. Fulfilling each other’s needs is a pleasant task if both are willing, and have respect for each other’s thoughts and feelings. Likewise, rules and setting boundaries to some extent are not that bad as long as they’re reasonable and mutually agreed on. A relationship is an agreement that the two people in it should honor and nurture. If you’re not bound by certain standards in a relationship, you won’t feel the need to exert effort to make it last. It actually defeats the purpose of entering a relationship in the first place.
eric the Lil' Devil thought this
nice lei, i can dig you! believe it or not i am not for a woman cleaning and waiting on me! can’t stand it ! wanna know why? there will never be a day when a woman can say “you owe me! for all that kinda shit! i do my own shit, and prefer to if possible! if it is a matter of convienience then ok we’ll do it like the shared way, but my ego or whatever it is will not allow me to be one upped. maybe it’s my need to be active? but noone will out do me… is my mentality that “a woman staying or leaving me will not affect my ability to carry on as i was! and nobody chime in with that shit about a woman dumping me and i’m scorned! i’ve had one that were a much crazier situation that created this. not resentment
Lei the Mercenary added
I hear ya, Eric. Good for you then, if you don’t require a woman to clean for you, etc. But like what I said, those are favors given freely and should not be taken as something you owe your partner. I guess it’s one of the many mistakes that we, men or women, tend to do — count the things that we’ve done for our partner and take it up on him/her when things are not going well between you. It’s the many expectations which were not met that turn the relationship sour. Oh well, I don’t know, I too am guilty of expecting some things/efforts from my partner, maybe because I am generous in giving. But the things I crave for from him are actually simple things that make me happy like simple but sincere gestures to show I’m appreciated and loved.;)
Keith the Director uttered
I agree with both eric and lei! I too am well capable of taking care of myself…I have done well, and will continue to do well for myself. By nature I’m very competative and hate to lose. i refuse to be outdone by anyone, but as well I’m also a sucker for the obvious…I have no problems doing for the woman in my life if she asks me for something, but if she doesn’t speak up I don’t know it needs done? It’s not getting done! Like lei said, things done out of kindness or generosity should not be hung over heads when things are going well..unfortunately they are all the time. Well I did this for you why cant you do this for me? My answer to that is did you ask?, and or did I even know it needed done? If something is clean it’s clean and can not be cleaned up anymore!How are you supposed to out of the blue shit if it’s all done. How can I help you solve this problem today when you didn’t heed the fucking I gavce you last week about the same damn subject?
Keith the Director mentioned
Oh and about the giving commands in bed and shit…Hey I’m up for new experiences and the whole giving and taking of advice etc. in the sexual relationship. I have a pretty damn good idea what women want, and have been successful so far! If I was doing something a woman didn’t like or if there was another way she likes something done…damn girl speak up! don’t just lay there and pretend you like it for my sake…cause I can guarentee if you aren’t doing something right or I want a different position I will be letting you know asap! Women don’t take the initiative enought to speak their minds about such things, instead they want us to try and figure it out! Guess what? If you have been dating and fucking for over 1-3 months and shit is not clicking…he will not figure it out and you need to speak up! Since sex is supposed to be mutually satisfying you might as well be satisfied or you will find yourself going elsewhere for your cookies. Likewise if a guy gives a suggestion to a girl and she’s like oh i don’t do that or hell no never will do it! If this is what he likes you wil learn to like it or you won’t be with him much longer! Sorry ladies just the way it is…Christine even said it! If you aren’t sexually happy in a relationship don’t kid yorslef and hur the other just man up and end it for both ppl involved!
Christine the Lioness up'n wrote this
Well… that’s sort of simplifying it, Keith. Of course, it doesn’t make sense to clean a kitchen if the kitchen is already clean (if I understood your analogy correctly). But reciprocating is the point…
I love men who can take care of themselves. Likewise, I don’t feel like I need a man to do stuff for me… but it’s great when he does, and I appreciate it.
However… sometimes you should just do stuff without being asked. She should definitely tell you what she wants and needs, and not expect you to read her mind, but you can also see when she needs help or when it would be nice to do something for her that she doesn’t ask for.
For example… I was kinda pissed at Christopher last night. Last time he was sick, I went to three different stores to get him cold medicine, four bags of groceries, and a smoothie because his throat hurt. I brought the stuff over, chilled a wash cloth for his head, and heated up some food after putting his groceries away for him. I thought that was pretty cool and he told me he really appreciated it. Well… yesterday, I was sick as a dog. Seriously, seriously sick. I didn’t have any cold medicine and I didn’t eat because every time I stood up, I thought my head was going to explode. Christopher called a few times to check on me and said “I’ll just leave you alone today.” He asked if there was anything he could do the first time he called in the morning, and I told him not to worry about it. Later on, he called and told me he was picking up a philly cheesesteak for himself. He didn’t offer to bring me anything. He even said that he was “going to” bring me some ice cream, but he couldn’t remember what kind I liked, so he didn’t get any.
So… I was kind of disappointed. It might seem like I would be holding it over his head that I did what I did for him when he was sick… but I don’t see it that way. I just thought he might reciprocate and bring over some food, or hot tea from Starbucks, or something. Anything would have made me feel a little better. I would have really appreciated it. Then, this morning, he messeges me from work asking how I’m doing. I tell him bad. Because I was. He says “Is there anything I can do?” Now… he’s at work. And I know he wouldn’t actually leave work to do anything even if I was like “yeah… I could really use some food” so I don’t even know why he asked. It actually pissed me off. Then I said that I hadn’t eaten and he starts telling me I need to eat and drink gatorade. At that point, I was really pissed. Here he is telling me waht I should do… did he think I just decided to become anorexic? I didn’t eat because I was so sick, I couldn’t get up long enough to make anything! I don’t have gatorade because I was too sick to walk to the store and buy some! Anyway…
We ended up getting into a big fight about this and now he’s not talking to me… and I wish he’d just be cool because I’m cranky and feel like shit.
But I’m digressing… the point is… It would have been nice to not have to spell out everything I need, but if he could have just been like “Hey… she’s sick. It would be really cool of me to take her some food and make sure she has what she needs.” That would have been nice. I’m probably in the wrong for “expecting” it, but I guess when he’s sick, I do all that stuff because I want to. It would just be nice if he’d want to do the same thing for me. I don’t fucking know. I’m just rambling. Fuck it.
Christine the Lioness got all philosophical
Re #32… there’s a difference between talking to your partner and asking them to explore new things with you and wanting your girl to attend your “bootie camp” where you get to teach her how to please you. And it’s okay that your partner doesn’t want to do everything you want him or her to do… I don’t know many guys that like eating pussy when its ragging. Do women like being eaten out… hell ya. Would it feel just as good when we’re on the rag? Of course… But if I guy thinks that’s gross, I’m certainly not going to dump him because of it. Or if he can only make me come from oral but can’t make me come from actual sex, I’m not going to call it quits. The guy (and what he likes/doesn’t like) is more important to me than that.
But that’s different than two people who just aren’t sexually compatible… like say someone who won’t participate in oral sex at all… or only wants missionary position.
Keith the Director hunt n' pecked this
I see you’re point christine, adn i do feel bad i know you were quite sick when i talked to chris…I agree with your points about having things done when not expected they are very nice and thoughtful…I also agree where you took chris stuff when he was sick, and thought he would reciprocate. In all honesty soemtimes it happenes, and sometimes it doesn’t. See you did it b/c you wanted to and it’s more the female nuturing nature to do such things; the mom in you if you will! Guys don’t have that inherit nurturing side. We are simple beings…like chris said day 1, “is there anything i can do for you or get you?” Thats a guys invitation to saying we care about you and wish you well if there’s anything you need speak now or forever hold your peace! It’s just the nature of the beast! Thats why when kids are always sick they ask for mom, or the fact they don’t need to ask for mom b/c mom is there 100% of the time making sure we have everything we need to get better! I’m truely soory, but the majority of guys are wired this way…I don’t know any in fact that aren’t. We are willing to do nice things and we do ask, but the logic and reasoning behind your answer No, I just want to rest! Speaks volumes to the questions can we do anything or is there anything you want? Common sense kicks in…she said no ok I’ll leave her be she wants to rest! I didn’t code it, it’s just in a man’s nature to be that way! And it’s the womans to do all the nice little motherly things! That’s just my take…and so far it seems pretty accurate I know b/c I’ve been accused of said things before by ex’s!
Christine the Lioness added
I think you’re right… and it probably wouldn’t have pissed me off so much and I wouldn’t have gone off on him like I did if I wasn’t already with the shortest fuse because I feel like crap. I regret the stuff I said to him… because I know he does care about me. And I was being a total bitch.
I understand that guys aren’t as nurturing and all that… but to us women it feels like common sense since it’s so inherently natural for us to know what to do in those situations. The thing is… if I had just done nothing when Chris was sick, it would have been because I didn’t give a shit and didn’t want to be inconvenienced. So when he doesn’t do anything when I’m sick, my first thought is to connect it to what would be going through my head if I chose not to do anything. See? I know that it’s a bad thing for me to just assume that his thinking somehow mimics the female way of perceiving this whole situation… because I know guys see this differently. It’s just hard to stop yourself and say “Okay… he doesn’t think like me. So I can’t assume this action means the same thing as it would if I did it.” But that’s really hard when you feel like complete crap.
Lei the Mercenary commented
I have also been into similar situations before. From experience, I’ve come to accept the fact that men are naturally like that, they’re not demonstrative when it comes to caring… But wouldn’t it be nice that they take the initiative, like especially when you’re sick? Asking me what I need is sweet, but I don’t want to have to spell out for him what he should do to help me me feel better like buy me some meds, bring me food and all that. It would be nice that he doesn’t take my “No, I’ll be OK, don’t worry” as a sign that I want to be left alone, and go on visit me anyway and bring me what might I need without me telling him to. I mean, if he knows he’s the closest person I have and count on in times like these, it should be natural for him to at least show me he cares by being there.
Christine the Lioness pontificated
That’s exactly what I was thinking, Lei… to a T.
Keith the Director commented
The sad thing is I know that’s exactly whatall women think….., but not to burst your bubbles. Don’t get your hopes up only to be crushed in one fail swoop. Even if you marry said individual he wil never change. Men aren’t geared that way, and we can not learn. I thought i ocul, and continually revert back to natural instict and common sense. Someone says they are ok and want to be left alone I leave them alone! It’s just the way it is…b/c if I say I don’t want to talk to anyone or ‘m fine I want to be alone I’l be ok! Damn it means stay out of my way b/c I don’t want to be around anyone and talk about whatever it is and I can fend for myself. Sry ladies, that’s just the male way of thiking…I know you don’t want to spell it out, but ;life is not a nora roberts romance novel and men will never be that way. So adapt and answer the questions truthfully,…
Man ays how do you feel?
Woman hitty!
Man: Is there anythng I can do for you or get you?
Woman: Yes, some sudafed, soup, and a frosty from wendy’s would be great right now please!
Guarentee his ass brings it right over! That’s if he cares for you at all as a friend, lover, husband, all three whatever!
MissIrish the Groupie up'n wrote this
If a woman were to follow these simple rules, there would have to be some other
for the men to follow so that we dont break our set of rules…
1. when your buddies are over watching the football game, dont expect us to get our apron on and become your “hooters bitch” that will run around waiting on you hand and foot. ( yes we will probably make some food but get off your ass and get your own beers)
2 if we asked you something, and you are busy to answer just nod your head yes or no, it doesnt require you to open your mouth its a response at least you are recognizing that we exsist…
3. dont wake us up with a boner and expect us to be all fucking excited because you wanted a blow job, and when we are well rested we may just wake up in a good mood and want to give you a blow job just for being a great man.
4. as for practice makes perfect, turn that rule around and practice what you preach and let her know that you deserve some good oral action if you are willing to dish some back at her…the more she does the more you do…..
5. dont break shit, I agree there is nothing more pathetic than breaking the remote becaue you cant watch some home decoration show while he wants to watch the football game but let her watch something during those times when football isnt on… and we all know that it is on 23 hours a day on ESPN so you can miss one game out of a hundred
6. bootie camp would be a rule that should not be changed, just practiced by both sides, it benefits everyone!!!
7. if we cook for you, which we are usually glad to do….put your dishes in the fucking dishwasher or atleast rinse them off and put them in the sink to do later, damn we just cooked you something that took time and effort ( fyi this only applies to women who dont use a microwave during cooking sessions) and the least you could do is do that so that we dont feel like a fucking butler come on…and it should ensure a lot more than a few weeks on to the relationship unless you suck at cooking
8. if your girl dresses up in a tiny little lingerie getup and cleans your house, give her a reward for conquering a giant task like that and take her out that night, or do something she would like and make her feel appreciated
9. ever think of letting your girl go to a strip club for men, or better yet going to a strip club with you??? what a radical concept but I have never heard a guy suggest this to his woman when he wants to go out to a titty bar with his buddies
10. I am going to plead the 5th on this one and remain neutral…
Christine the Lioness chimed in with
Miss Irish… how pathetic your list is. If we cook for them, they should put their dishes in the sink??? Come on… talk about expecting bare minimums. If we cook for them, then take us out the next night and help clean the kitchen tonight. If we ask a question and they’re too busy to answer they should just nod and recognize we exist??? Um… no. As the supposedly most important person in his life, I think he can take the effort to open his mouth and answer. If he asks me something, I’d give him enough respect of an answer too. If she dresses in tiny lingerie and cleans your house, do something to make her feel appreciated? I don’t know about you, but I work a lot and don’t have a lot of time, so if I’m spending a few hours cleaning a guys’ house for him, I expect more than a bouquet of flowers. If she does that for you, go change the oil in her car.
I mean come on… the point is… men and women really should reciprocate at the same level. If a guy wants to keep his woman, he needs to take her out once in a while, and not just as a reward for cleaning his house. And she shouldn’t clean his house and then expect something in return… she should do it because she cares about him.
I don’t think any of what you suggests really describes a healthy relationship where people feel appreciated or do things just to do them for the other one.
Keith the Director up'n wrote this
Nah i kinda agree with a lot of what miss irish says Looks plenty reasonable!
Lei the Mercenary mentioned
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Keith the Director remarked
Oh I forgot…Missirish…and christine and lei and all other females whoare fortnuate to stumble across this post! I have been on the road where the guy takes his girl to a strip club…I have done this myself..in fact i encouraged girls to go with us. I wa seven dating a couple of them at the times! So ladies guys do ask you to go to strip clubs and you simply say no…or thats disgusting and demeaning to women. Ya know what they seem to enjoy it, and they are making good money at it. Let them be and do their job. whether you agree with it or not it’s not anyones place to judge. you would be surprised at the education level of some strippers, and some are putting themselves through college! So don’t be too quick to pre-judge all of them!
Also the football thing..yes it’s on espn classic and nfl channel all yr long, but the fact remains in season it only last 25 weeks, then bowl games for 2 weeks in college, and nfl playoffs. I’d say the chick flicks on we channel can wait till the games are over. You have all winter, spring and summer to watch them!
If you don’t like that answer there is the other alternative to waiting till the end of the season…It’s called go in the other room or the bedroom and watch that t.v. whil ethe games are on! It’s not fucking rocket science! And i don’t wanna hera there is only one t.v. in the house either. Every fucking house now has a main tv and at least 1 in a bedroom and if not a nother room or basement in the house!
christine, if it were this simple for men to follow was what I was trying to get across…they claim to be simplistic creatures yet they have the most difficult time doing simple things like the bare minimum….
Lei the Mercenary uttered
When I said I would not want my man to go to strip clubs, it isn’t because I look down on the strippers or pre-judge them. I really don’t care what they do for a living. It’s they decision to strip to support themselves..well, to each her own. But the issue is not about those girls, but about my man having the need to see naked girls while being committed to me. For me, it’s insulting. It also constitutes cheating you know.
Keith the Director commented
OH My lei….? I hope you don’t think b/c your man goes to a strip club he’s cheating on you! I mean I really, really hope I’m misinterpreting…you didn’t say if you’re man goes to the strip club it’s like he is cheating on you did you?
Keith the Director uttered
Im sorry anonymous did you not read anything i wrote or did you read it and have it not sink in through your thick skull? I explained things very clearly, and we do do the bare minimum plus more…I’m sry if you have a lazy shit for a man, but don’t let your ignorance confuse reality. Please re-read what I said about men. o reitterate the summary..life is not the cheesy romace novels and we channel tv shows you see. Men will not ever do the little romantic things b/c we are not wired to do so. We do things for woman, but when you are sick and want something buut say no to our inquires…guess what common logic takes over! In a womans words..”no means no!”
Lei the Mercenary asserted
Yes, Keith I meant what I said. To you it might seem unreasonable, but it’s actually fairly simple. I consider it unfaithfulness on his part if he still went to strip clubs because when he already knew for a fact that it bothers me. If he loves me enough, he should respect that. He should realize that our relationship is more important than just his whims. I consider myself understanding as a girlfriend and open to compromise, but my tolerance of him doing his thing doesn’t include hanging out in a place with naked women.
Keith the Director pontificated
Ok, what if you went with him? Do you consider it unfaithful if he looks at nudie magazines? What if he is in a bar/club and there are showgirls dancing in thongs on the bar or in cages? Swinging on swings or just plain dancing around poles? What then?
Christopher the Pyro chimed in with
Lei, it sounds like your connecting your insecurities to things he is doing now. I don’t agree that if he loved you he wouldn’t do things that bother you. That is a slippery slope and one it just sounds like this is a control issue. It’s probably much safer for him to hang out at a strip club then the grocery store in terms of a place where he is going to actually do something detrimental to the relationship. I mean what is the line he can’t cross and does that line keep moving, before long the girls gone wild tape he has stashed in his closet isn’t going to be acceptable either.
Trouble the Pirate uttered
Well said Chris and Keith. Although the points you have both made are basically what every man knows as the truth, very few women know of, or can comprehend such simple logic. You have managed to debate them well, and against women who have self-confessed to projecting the feminine [AKA irrational] way of thinking on to their men and expecting it to work, no less…
Lei, you have a cute name, but you’d better consider Chris’ sound advice.
There was nothing in Chris? list that was unreasonable? Let me break it down?
1. All women nag, from your mom, sis, whatever, it is self defeating? STOP.
2. Logical expansion on point 1. Therefore redundant.
3. There are only 3 acceptable reasons for rousing a man from a sound sleep, one involves kinky sex, one involves visual confirmation of a burglar in the house [preferably you have notified 911 prior to waking him, and are handing him a Red Bull and a suitably intimidating weapon] and after he subdues said burglar, you give him kinky sex, and the third reason involves the impending destruction of the world, prior to which you demand kinky sex.
4. Practice makes perfect. There is no argument to this, that?s why it?s a clich?. The reason I am really good at cunnilingus, is because I practice at length at every opportunity? Preferably on lesbians because they give a good impartial opinion and advice.
5. Don’t break shit? You know how you feel when you break one of your nails?
6. Attend his bootie camp? This belongs with #4, if more women spent less time plotting how to use what pathetic little knowledge they?ve garnered about sex from HBO to get their own way? And a little more time discovering the beauty of their inner kinks, and the ability to experiment on a captive audience?
7. Cook for him. Personally, I?ve had to take 2 ex?s to the ER, one burned her leg attempting to make Mac & cheese, the other sliced her thumb open using a knife to cut open a Digiorno pizza [the ?PEEL HERE? tabs are clearly visible?]
8. It?s not a cleaning thing, it?s a fantasy thing? Get with the program? But while you?re at it, there?s wet pantyhose hanging in the shower?
9. I personally won’t date women who don’t freely visit strip clubs with or without me, because it speaks of their insecurities, inhibitions, a superiority complex, or misunderstanding of her own gender/sexuality… Girls who make statements as such, usually wouldn’t admit to masturbating, have never given their man a lap-dance, think bodily fluids are ‘ICKY’ and don’t possess the sexual knowledge or open mind to keep a real man very long…
10. Well? Yeah? I?m not going to go up against Christine, that?s Chris? job? But I will say this? Nice cleavage Christine? I understand why Chris puts up with you?
eric the Lil' Devil pontificated
a preacher was up in front of his congregation preaching about how all modern problems can be traced back in lineage to biblical times. he wanted to illustrate that although times change, problems only vary in details. so he asked a few parishioners to participate and ask questions, a hand raised from the back. it was a man who obviously didn’t want to be in a tie or at church during gameday, so he asks” rev, give me an example of nagging in biblical times! the preacher thought and pondered while reading his scriptures for several minutes. finally his head rose from the book and he got the man’s attention and read this” and mary rode joseph’s ass all the way into bethlehem!…………my point nagging will always happen trouble. it’s only the creative way you manage to tell your girl to shut the fuck up without going on the pussy restriction list
Christopher the Pyro penned this
Trouble,
Right on man.. your a very enlightened individual.
Keith the Director scribbled
Thanx trouble you have seen the light, and have explained it in your own words very effectively…This is woman woman as well… I’m impressed with your level of enlightenment on said issues…seriously impressed! I wish I knew more women like you I mightactuallyhave a g/f
Christine the Lioness quibbed this
Believe me, Trouble… I get #8. I wrote the fucking program! LOL! I guess Christopher didn’t mention what he got for Christmas last year…
Lei… I will throw my two cents in here. As a former “dancer” myself, and a big fan of male revues, I have had my share of the male and female strip club scene. I understand why the idea of him going to a strip club bothers you. The truth is… all women want to believe that their man only wants to see them naked, only wants to fuck just her, and she can be everything he’s sexually desired for his entire lifetime. While that is what all women secretly want… it’s God’s joke on us. It’s simply not possible. Men are wired to want to see hot, naked women. It’s evident if you just pay attention to how many guys turn and look as soon as you walk into a room. They pretty much all look. Now most of these guys are probably married and in relationships or what not, and they wouldn’t go any further than just checking you out. But they still do it. And the reality of the situation is… you should just accept it. Because the sooner you accept that fact, the happier you will be. You will no longer be disappointed that he actually thinks about other naked women. You will know that if you have a guy who looks at other women (and is basically allowed to be a guy) and still remains faithful to you, then you’ve got something special.
I love going to male revues. I love men. I love their bodies. I love their jaw lines. I love how they sweat and how they smell and the sound of their voices. Seeing ripped guys peel off their shirts in front of me makes me really happy and giddy. Does that mean I would cheat on my guy? Hell no. Never have, never will. But I am a woman and I appreciate the male form because it’s sexy as hell. I’m sure you do too. So why should guys be any different?
If you trust that your man loves you and is faithful to you, then there should be no reason why you think him going to a strip club is cheating. The point is… he could NOT go to a strip club and go out and hook up with some chick. That’s cheating.
From my experience, guys go to strip clubs for different reasons. Honestly… some were in wheelchairs and stuff and I think they just were worried about being rejected by women in the real world, and strippers don’t reject, so it was a safe place for them. Some guys would pay me to sit there and just listen to them talk about their wives and the problems they were having at work… and they basically just wanted therapy (those guys usually came in alone). Some guys just came in with a bunch of other guys as a bonding experience… they get to drink, and shoot the shit, and look at pretty girls, and kid each other about how they could never get a girl that hot, etc. A select few were looking to be sugar daddies to strippers and a few others were looking to cheat. But most were just there because it was a fun thing to do with other guys. Period.
I think you’re making more out of this than you should. Honestly… maybe going to a strip club with your guy, and seeing how his eyes pop out of his head when he watches a girl give you a lap dance, will make you feel a little better about things.
Anyway, Lei… I agree with Chris. There are either other issues that are making you feel a little insecure about your relationship, or you just haven’t figured out yet that even though you want him to never think of another woman, it’s simply not reality. If it’s the latter, the best thing to keep in mind is to ask yourself “Would my guy do anything in the world for me and am I the only woman he’d do that for?” And if the answer is yes, then you have his heart. And having his heart and letting him be a guy is way better than having his eyes only on you because you don’t allow him to look at anyone else. That’s just my opinion.
Lei the Mercenary up'n wrote this
Ok y’all, I dig you.. And thanks for your advices, appreciate them Well, I guess my issues on these things about men and their “activities” are basically rooted on the culture I’ve been raised into. Among other things, the dynamics of men-women relationships is way different here in my country. Relatively, I consider myself more open/liberal-minded than most women here, believe it or not.
Anyways… As for Trouble in #52, I have to disagree on that part about “Girls who make statements as such, usually wouldn?t admit to masturbating, have never given their man a lap-dance, think bodily fluids are ?ICKY? and don?t possess the sexual knowledge or open mind to keep a real man very long?” Obviously, you haven’t been around different kinds of women for you to make that statement. lol. I may have certain issues re strip clubs and all that, but that doesn’t mean “I don’t possess the sexual knowledge or open mind to keep a real man very long”
Keith the Director uttered
Eric bro..prime biblical reference…;)
Christine the Lioness stated
Hehe… I don’t know many “women” like Trouble myself… =))
Keith the Director mentioned
I know me neither…sad and depressing it is! 
Keith the Director penned this
lei, Christine makes very good points…and very reasonable explanations! Well said christine! I also guess I need to apologize a littl ebit to you lei, not a lot just a little bit I never really took the different cultures into affect in my reasoning, understanding or proclimations. But as it may be diff. in your cultures, human nature is inheirently the same no matter culture, color etc. So be it as it may in your culture please heed our advice and at least give it a try…you never know, you might enjoy yourself, and end up pleaeing your man in more ways than you could imagine!
Christopher the Pyro uttered
Keith, she was pointing out Trouble’s a guy
Lei the Mercenary commented
He’s a guy, isnt he?
Trouble the Pirate scribbled
That had to be the most painless sexchange ever?
Keith, sorry to burst your bubble honey, but in the words of the immortal chauvinist, Austin Powers? It?s a man baby!
Though, if you buy me a nice dinner, and a couple drinks, I may be persuaded to engage in some hanky-panky? Jewelry would definitely seal the deal?
Christine, you are definitely ?in-the-know?, my love and respect for you has just increased ten-fold? ^ ^
Yes Lei, I am very much a guy? and I still think you have a cute name? # 9 was an un-aimed statement? It seems though, that? ?I may have certain issues re strip clubs and all that, but that doesn?t mean ?I don?t possess the sexual knowledge or open mind to keep a real man very long??? ? You have chosen to apply it to yourself, and take offence; this was not my intention, but is your prerogative.
However, contrary to your retaliatory ?dig?, I do know a couple of women. Some in fact, who hail from the Philippines, from where I gather you are posting.
The Filipino girls I am privy to, I have found to be very sexually progressive, confident and competent. Perhaps it is different for those who are still confined to the dynamics of relationships in your home country. I would not know as the Philippines is a stop I have yet to make? Why don’t you cum on my blog sometime, so we can talk dirty…
Keith the Director chimed in with
Sry trouble don’t go that route! My bad…I guess I didn’t read into anything far enough back! Hell atleast i’m in the know now, and wish i could retraact a statement
Christine the Lioness quibbed this
Come on, Keith… we all know you’re just gay.
Trouble the Pirate thought this
lay off Keith Christine, he’s got good taste…=((
eric the Lil' Devil pontificated
ok, the gender bending? wtf? yo, go back to the silence of the lambs fan club, tuck in the twig and berries and chill until you get your mind right brotha? no mud flaps or sword fighting on this site!:-&
Crystal the Soldier spake, and sayeth
What about Christine’s rebuttal to this post? How not to screw up your relationship with your girl? I think we should educate the boys here… and number 1 on the list is “Never listen to any advice from Chris, or you’ll stand a snowballs chance in hell of getting laid again!”
Christine the Lioness asserted
Well you have to consider the source… none of the guys commenting on this site (except for maybe Trouble… and definitely Ben… are in relationships at all). Can a fisherman call himself a fisherman if he can’t catch a fish? (And no fish jokes, boys… I’m one step ahead of that sophomoric humor! )
Christopher the Pyro said this
It’s called catch and release.
Keith the Director thought this
Thanx trouble, I do have very good taste in a lot of things,butdon’t go get big headed, b/c like i said I roll 1 way and 1 way only
Keith the Director uttered
eric you my boy man..always good looking out! I wanted this in mylast post but hit enter by mistake! :”>
Keith the Director got all philosophical
Chris said, “catch and release” that’s exactly what it is! I could be in a relationship right now if I wanted to be, but I’m so damned picky! I refuse to “settle” for less that what I deserve! I know 2 many ppl in worthelss relationships b/c they think they cant find better…I won’t be a statistic! But damn it to hell if i’m not going to enjoy myslef while i window shop!
Lei the Mercenary spake, and sayeth
Hmmm Trouble, we’ll see… But thanks btw if you think my name’s cute
Trouble the Pirate pontificated
Eric? Don?t go all self-hating, closet case on me now, haven?t you heard that bisexuality immediately doubles your chances of getting laid on a Friday night? I was just having a little lighthearted fun at Keith?s expense, and he took it like a man? I didn?t mean to make you jealous? I?ll give you a B+ for originality though, despite my not knowing exactly what the term ?mud-flaps? means, perhaps you could enlighten me, as you seem to be very familiar with the lingo?:-”
…Not that I ever feel the need to explain or defend my sexuality? But I?m 99.1673 straight? Still waiting on Brad Pitt to know for sure? Hope that sets you a little more at ease? Kudos for watching Keith?s back though? Rest assured, I?m only interested in Lei here, ?cause although Christine is the proverbial ?bomb?? She?s already taken? And a little too prone to ?random stabbings? for my liking? But since this isn?t the ?Adultfriendfinder? website, I?ll just hope Lei pops by my site so I can spank her like the naughty girl she wants to be?=d>
Christopher the Pyro up'n wrote this
=))
Christine the Lioness hunt n' pecked this
I thought I was the only one who didn’t get the mud-flaps thing… but then again, I’m so innocent that would make sense…
eric the Lil' Devil scribbled
wow, ya know that isn’t even funny? nice try though, the whole thing is faggots and bisexual men are subhuman, it’s ok that you try and use witty jokes and play with hetero men to make yourself feel better about swallowing cock. i can’t help it your mouth is a cock holster and you look at the mens locker room as the gun store?happy swallowing and i’m sorry to decline the offer to be a part of team cum dumpster. some of us men still have enough pride and ability to get pussy and not try to be the “hollywood acceptable bi,metro male” l-)
Christine the Lioness spake, and sayeth
I don’t know… I thought it was pretty damn funny. BTW… any guy who would say he’s 99.167% sure he’s straight, is pretty comfortable with his heterosexuality… and we all know you’d secretly bend over for Brad Pitt too. Come on… admit it…
Lighten up, sugar plum… It’s all in fun. >-
Christopher the Pyro mentioned
I have to agree, trouble ripped ya dog, all in good fun.. and dog it WAS funny, give some props when there due. Trouble, your going to have to forgive Eric’s short fuse, he is suffering for a SERIOUS lack of pussy because of part of the country he is living in and the lack of variety has him seriously on edge.. and while your waiting for Brad Pitt, I’m going to keep sticking it to Jessica Alba.
eric the Lil' Devil uttered
believe me brother, the short fuse is related to former legal issues, and the luggage it still carries
Keith the Director pontificated
Eric the short fuse you say is from what it is, but you can’t disagree totally from chris assumption on it either…Rememebr I have been up there! I agree with it
Trouble the Pirate quibbed this
ooooh, kitty has claws… I’ll “back up” off you Eric, in the interest of preserving the humorous nature of this dis-cussing… And as I previously stated, I have no need to defend myself, it’s fairly obvious those who know me a little better will. Sorry if I offended you in any way… You’re entitled to your opinions about people with alternative lifestyles to yours, I just hope you don’t allow those opinions to define you, or worse, negatively affect others…
How to train your man? « I hate and love. You ask, perhaps how that can be? I know not, but I feel the agony. the Virgin mentioned
[…] And just when I thought this was quite insightful, this just tops it in its humourous suggestions in teaching your man how to aim his pee into the bowl accurately. In fact, chrisvschris.com shares more classics under the category Sex and Relationships. Enlightening, only right up till I read the archives and saw what asshat Christopher wrote versus what brilliant Christine wrote. […]
aJ the Zen Master penned this
Asshat?
Christopher the Pyro up'n wrote this
Totally agree.. Asshat? She should be nice… lol… our first Wordpress MU user tho.. so props to her.
Christine the Lioness added
I am brilliant… thanks for noticing… but I, too, am a bit stymied by the “asshat” noun… and kudos to me for finally using the word “stymied” in a sentence.
Christopher the Pyro mentioned
Personally I’m surprised you can spell it.. I guess those spelling lessons are rubbing off.
aJ the Zen Master thought this
Eh eh.. Christopher, you saying that?
We all know how your your spellings are
Christine the Lioness pontificated
Thanks, aj… nothing like stating the obvious, huh? 
Christopher the Pyro asserted
aJ,
Look you have to remember Christine is a woman.. and her brain is about the size of a squirrel’s. So.. just because I mess up my spelling to make her feel smart.. doesn’t mean I can’t spell I just choose to make my writings more of an adventure.
Christine the Lioness stated
That squirrel thing is from the Borat movie… for those of you who haven’t seen it, Borat is very misinformed and believes that women’s brains are the size of a squirrel’s. Christopher doubled over laughing when Borat said that in the movie… he was the only one in the theater laughing that hard… people were staring… I was sinking into my seat… and good try, Christopher. No one believes for one second that you can actually spell beyond a third grade level.
Christopher the Pyro penned this
Ah-ha! Now I have an advantage, my trust Firefox automatically fixes my spelling as I type. The days of misspelled words are a thing of the past, I suppose I’ll have to find new ways to help you feel smart. For now my grammar will have work, at least until I find some software to help me out in that regard…. :-”
Christine the Lioness mentioned
Honey… in order for Firefox to correct the spelling of a word, it has to be able to at least recognize the word you’re trying to spell… I’m not so sure that it’s going to be that useful of a tool for you… >-
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