Mens Speak - Question 4 Trouble & PJ

Posted on February 9th, 2008 by Christopher.
Categories: Hilarious.

Christine and I have been having a debate lately about how men and women communicate differently. I am a firm believer that given the same concept to express to another person will use completely different methods and often times even use different words and methods depending on which sex they are dealing with at the time. Christine often times misinterpreters one specific phrase that I use and when I explain what I mean she is convinced I am using my “marketing skills” to twist the truth. So we came to an agreement I would propose the question here, specifically ask Trouble & PJ the meaning of the statement that I use. If their explanation falls closer to what I’ve said my meaning is in the past then Christine will drop it and if they are way off base than I’ll attempt to cut back on these types of phrases.

Crazy.

That is the word that everything revolves around.

As in.

“Your crazy”, “That’s crazy”, “Crazy”

If I respond: “Crazy”
Christine say’s “What’s crazy, me” and we go from there.

Generally speaking using the word crazy and in statements like… “Women are crazy”, “Ya, she’s crazy” tends to be ultra insulting to Christine.

Obviously my explanation to here is less insulting. )

The question her is mostly under these strict circumstances… hanging out with the guys.

I use a phrase like. “Ya, she’s crazy”

What am I communicating to the other men in the room.

25 comments.

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ProphetJoe the Irreverent pontificated

Ummm, I may be crazy, but I’m going to let Trouble answer first…

February 11th, 2008

Trouble the Pirate asserted

…you think I’m going to answer first and get in trouble with Miss Christine? …no way! She’s crazy…

February 11th, 2008

ProphetJoe the Irreverent added

From the free dictionary web site:

cra·zy (krz)
adj. cra·zi·er, cra·zi·est
1. Affected with madness; insane.
2. Informal Departing from proportion or moderation, especially:
a. Possessed by enthusiasm or excitement: The crowd at the game went crazy.
b. Immoderately fond; infatuated: was crazy about boys.
c. Intensely involved or preoccupied: is crazy about cars and racing.
d. Foolish or impractical; senseless: a crazy scheme for making quick money.

I believe Christine in interpreting the word “crazy” in the first definition… insane. Being a man, and having read numerous post by Christopher, I believe he really means one of the second definitions — enthusiastic, infatuated, preoccupied, or impractical.

Stick to using the word where Christine understands the concept you’re conveying — something like “babe, your blow jobs are crazy good!”

)

February 11th, 2008

Trouble the Pirate got all philosophical

Okay fine… I would interpret the word “crazy” to mean something like this:

Example: “ya, she’s crazy”

Actual meaning: “Yes, due to my great love for her, I consider it of penultimate importance to devote massive amounts of my time to the task of fathoming out exactly what ideas and/or emotions she is attempting to convey to me through her words, actions and the subtle nuances of her tone, facial expression and body language. Unfortunately, and I put it down to the obvious deficit in my ‘male-oriented brain’, there are times when, despite using my undivided attention, all my empathetic reasoning skills, and the precedental information I have retained from reading masses of self-help books on the subject, so-far-as-to-have practically paid for John Grey’s swimming-pool maintenance the last three years, I just cannot seem to discern the exactitudes of her thought processing patterns in certain particular instances. I’m positive that it is not a shortcoming of my astute “active-listening techniques”, after all, they were taught to me by her for-the-most-part, but I would more attribute my lack of understanding to the fact that the inherent nature of her femininity, and my Philistinical and boorish maleness disallow me the ability to think or reason anywhere in the near proximity of her grandiose enlightenment, hence rather than become embroiled in a futile battle with my own inadequacy, I chose to placate my fragile ego by attempting to convince myself of her mental instability, thereby easing my overwhelmed mind, but at the same time being so trite, that I come-across as grossly more immature than I really long for her to see me… Fie, fie, a curse on my penis, woe, o’ woe is me, I am lost…

February 11th, 2008

Christine the Lioness mentioned

Okay… well, this is pointless on some level because I have already conceded. Let me give a little backstory on this situation.

Off and on, whenever it comes up, I’ve made the comment that it’s a bit hypocritical for a guy to say that he never talks shit about his wife/girlfriend but then, when he’s talking about her to the guys at work, says “She’s crazy.”

Chris always says, “I don’t know why you’d be offended by that. Other guys understand that it means we simply don’t understand why she would do whatever she did, or think whatever she was thinking.”

I questioned how it could possibly be that the entire male gender, could assign a whole new meaning to the word ‘crazy’ that didn’t exist in the dictionary and somehow be able to speak this code.

Chris just assured me it was possible and stuck to his guns even after I explained that there’s a difference between saying “I don’t get where she comes from,” which puts the owness of the confusion on the individual speaking and “She’s crazy” which suggests there is indeed something wrong in her brain for thinking/acting the way she does.

Christopher, finding this a difficult argument to reject, decided to “prove” it to me by asking PJ and Trouble if they would understand what he meant (in a way that wasn’t leading them to simply agree). If you both got it right, I would accept that this phenomenon indeed happens and I would no longer feel it was an offensive statement. If you didn’t both agree, Christopher promised to stop saying it because obviously not all men are understanding it as clearly as he thinks they are.

Well… the thing is, I think Christopher means it the way he thinks all other men will take it when they hear it– when he says it, he means he doesn’t understand where I’m coming from. So on that level, I concede. He can obviously say whatever he wants and I need to take his words the way HE means them, even if everyone on the planet agrees with how I receive them.

But, based on the fact that your comments show that Trouble understood what Christopher meant, but PJ didn’t quite come to the same conclusion, I would like Chris to at least take from this that I did have a point– when you throw out a statement like that, thinking it has some meaning other than the ones in the dictionary, it may not be quite as clear to everyone (male or not) as one thinks it might.

February 11th, 2008

Trouble the Pirate asserted

…yeah, but you really can’t go by what PJ says… He crazy…

February 11th, 2008

Christine the Lioness said this

Doesn’t matter. Crazy or not, obsessed with emoticon or not, he’s still a man and it therefore cannot be assumed that ALL MEN understand the meaning of the statement in the way Christopher assumed they would.

February 11th, 2008

Trouble the Pirate chimed in with

…but he did understand… He just likes using dictionary.com …and emoticons…

February 11th, 2008

Christopher the Pyro penned this

I agree about PJ, he was just hedging his bets.. because he likes Christine’s boobs.

February 11th, 2008

ProphetJoe the Irreverent commented

Guilty on all counts, actually…

February 11th, 2008

ProphetJoe the Irreverent uttered

Christine, did you even read my rant on God and fags this morning????

Girlfriend, PPLLEEEEEZZZZZE…. I’m as cRaZy as they cum come…

February 11th, 2008

Christine the Lioness quibbed this

I actually predicted this, by the way. I told Christopher that if one of you don’t agree, he will somehow twist it and justify why they didn’t, and still somehow win the bet.

This is reminiscent of the bet where he told me it takes 3 hours to fly from LA to Chicago. And I said (because I fly through there constantly on my way to Canada), that no, the flight is definitely longer than 3 hours. We bet $1000 on that. When he found out I was right, he decided he was right because you’re changing time zones so… according to Christopher, really, it’s only three hours instead of five.

I’m still waiting for him to pay up on that bet that he believes he won.

BTW, if PJ is willing to cross the thin blue line of male brotherhood only because he is inspired to do so in appreciation of my boobies, does that mean you DON’T like my boobies, Christopher???
s

February 11th, 2008

Trouble the Pirate got all philosophical

That’s a “straw-boobie argument” Christine…

February 11th, 2008

Christine the Lioness commented

Yes, I know. But if you keep pointing that out to everyone, they’ll stop buying into them. Do you mind?

February 11th, 2008

ProphetJoe the Irreverent quibbed this

I’ve been inspired to cross many a line in appreciation of a monster rack the full figured feminine breast.

February 11th, 2008

ProphetJoe the Irreverent thought this

And I haven’t been inspire much lately, Christopher… (n)

*Christine, can ya help a Prophet out?* (p) TIA

February 11th, 2008

ProphetJoe the Irreverent commented

Btw, in my own defense (since the fairer gender thinks I’ve crossed the thin blue line of male brotherhood, and the dudes think, well, who cares…), I think there is definitely an age issue here. I am much more… ummm…. mature than y’all — yeah, that’s it, mature — by about 10-20 years.

You will find that there is a generational difference is language. Perhaps Christopher, being a young, hip (they don’t say hip anymore, do they?) marketing/coding god (lower “g”) that he is, uses the word crazy as Trouble would use it, or maybe as Mara would use it…. did any of you young whipper-snappers (they *do* still say that — in the nursing home) think of that?? Did ya??

x my arse… *everyone breaking bad on PJ today… shit*

Even my own boss dissed me in a staff meeting and I (respectfully, I might add) brought it to his attention after the meeting… when he apologized in private… Mondays suck.

February 11th, 2008

Trouble the Pirate got all philosophical

Jeez PJ, “Dissed” is so 2003…

February 12th, 2008

ProphetJoe the Irreverent chimed in with

Thank you! (note that I am a product of the 60’s and 70’s, so being in the correct decade is quite an accomplishment!! (*)

February 12th, 2008

Christine the Lioness hunt n' pecked this

LOL, PJ! It’s nice to see that old guys can still be witty.

February 12th, 2008

Christopher the Pyro uttered

PJ, just to clarify it’s God with a capital “G”… opps there goes that superiority complex Christine gets so bent about.

February 12th, 2008

Trouble the Pirate uttered

You’re only as old as the woman you get to ‘feel…’

February 12th, 2008

ProphetJoe the Irreverent scribbled

Hell.. then I’m feeling 34!!

Well, not right at this very moment… and WTF, where are the tits pix??

February 12th, 2008

Keepin_up_with_Katie the Virgin remarked

OKay, the problem with the guy code coined phrases such as, “she’s crazy”, “she was talking crazy”, “I don’t know, dude, she’s just … crazy.”

Translation of this jibberish, is that if guys don’t really understand their lady, or if they are just irritated or pissed off and get in the middle of a testosterone beerfest of bitching about their chicks, instead of explaining a situation they didn’t understand or that really pissed them off, they just use this phrase right after the words… “I’m just pissed now, she pisses me off sometimes …”….
… all the other dudes at the TBB…”Yeah… welcome to a having a chick around,” “She’s just crazy, women are crazy”… all the other dudes at the TBB “Yep, chicks are crazy”.

What an intriguing conversation and was anything really discussed???? It is just the words that are said in lieu of actually talking about feelings, or what pissed them off, every man agrees to this one phrase and then all of women’s actions, past, present, and future, are completely explained, and do not need to be discussed.

Yet, going around saying your lady is crazy, however you mean it, whomever you say it to, and if you say it more than twice, don’t you think the person that is saying this would look like a total idiot for staying with someone that he is so convinced is crazy, and also for that matter, having a club of men that stand around and agree that their partners are also crazy, without anyone mentioning that they don’t want to stay with a crazy person, sounds like a club of idiots. I wonder sometimes (alot) how people that dog their partner in any way behind their back to mutual friends or family, can find it in themselves to even face all the same people with the “crazy ” person by their side at the next holiday, party , baby shower, and keep a straight face and not realize what a jackass they look like. You think that after you dogged your lady in front of all your friends and now you are holding her hand and getting her drinks and etc, so on, you think that they actually think you are just doing it for some kind of good cause, a crazy charity? (if i don’t go get her that drink you know… she get’s crazy)… whatever, if we turn the channel during football games, cellphones get broken, remotes thrown further than the length of the foot ball field. So you know I learned not to do that or make sure we have two tv’s. But for some reason men don’t learn that that same thing you do every time to piss your chick off , really makes her mad, and you don’t learn from it and you keep doing it over and over and you wonder why she is so frustrated and angry …. or how you like to put it summarized … crazy. The “she’s crazy” lingo , no matter context or whatever sentence, paragraph, brief instance or joke you use it in needs to stop. As soon as something like a big fight happens, the “she’s crazy” that was meant so innocently at the TBB, turns into , dude see, she really is crazy”, and then it isn’t so innocent anymore. The person now is coined crazy .It is even your defense even when you are wrong and made her mad, which is really a cowardly defense(unless weaponry, or utensils present), if everyone isn’t supportive of the two of you, you have given every man a reason for you to not be with this person, because you actually gave them the reason first, “she is crazy”. And you only meant it as a joke, or just being funny, innocent…now she finds out you called her crazy, now she was emotional for whatever reason and feels like everyone thinks she is crazy because you told them she was so they immediately get ready for the crazy stuff to start happening…. and you find yourself being invited places but not your crazy lady…. stupid boy talk can really f things up. And it always ends with ” I don’t really think your crazy, I just said that , I don’t know why I said that, well don’t you think you crying and yelling was a little crazy…I mean, I know you are a little crazy and that is what I love about you baby… I don’t think your crazy like that, your like crazy fun.”…

And no, This does not come from my own damn crazy experiences. p

March 8th, 2008

Christine the Lioness uttered

Ya, I agree with you. I think it’s shitty to dog your significant other to anyone whether the words are supposed to have some sort of “code meaning” to other guys or not. The reality is, there is no “guy code.” Some guys may take “she’s crazy” to mean he doesn’t understand her, some may take it to mean that she really is crazy, whatever. The point is still that you’re saying something negative about your girlfriend/wife/whatever to “the guys” in an effort to somehow commiserate with their experiences of relationship issues and “bond” at the expense of the person you’re supposed to be the most committed to and should be your best friend.

It’s not that hard to not talk shit about your boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife. It just isn’t. And if that seems like too daunting of a task, then you probably should be single.

March 8th, 2008

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