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Christine 2 the Mercenary (131) Lei the Mercenary (124) Katie the Mercenary (115) eric the Lil' Devil spake, and sayeth
you don’t think that the terrorists that actually died in the attack aren’t martyr’s? they are considered that by all of their countrymen already. this moussaui dickhead will bring about repercussions regardless of the decision. so i agree and say f’it and send him to his maker!;)
Keith the Director penned this
Fuck this guy and his felow countrymen and terrorist buddies. he deserves nothing. He sure as fuck doesn’t deserve a trial. I would hang his worthless ass or even more old school…bring back the “Guillotin”! Put it on national worldwide television!
How can u honestly say he deserves a trial…did all the innocents deserve to die in the WTC and 9-11 attacks?
Christine the Lioness got all philosophical
He deserves a trial because once we start eliminating rights guaranteed to us in the Constitution, it pretty much negates everything our founding fathers risked their lives for when we won our freedom from Britain. It’s important that we respect those rights. Once we abandon them, we’ll never get them back.
Christopher the Pyro up'n wrote this
Is he a citizen.. if not fuck em.
Christine the Lioness stated
Moussaui is a citizen of France, arrested in the U.S. We don’t just execute citizens of other countries because they’re arrested… just like our citizens who are arrested in other countries aren’t just executed without a trial over there. You’re suggesting that our allies would be forgiving about us just executing their citizens without a trial???
Are you forgetting what the U.S. stands for??? We certainly don’t believe that just because you’re from another country, you don’t have rights. One of the positive things we’ve done as a country is go in and fight for the rights of people being oppressed. What you’re saying goes against the founding beliefs.
They don’t teach you about foreign policy and the constitution in Pennsylvania schools?
aJ the Zen Master thought this
The question should not be why or why he cannot be immediately executed. The question should, if proved without doubt that he was a mitigating factor, then he should be executed.
Not to set a precedence, no, because dying for their cause is what these scum desire. They should be executed so that the next time (and there _will_ be a next time) a plane is hijacked, or someone else kidnapped, they do not demand his release as ransom!
Christine the Lioness commented
That’s a good point, too, aJ.
Keith the Director mentioned
Exactly my point chris…this puke is not a US citizen he doesn’t fall under US constitution. Also if you haven’t watched th enews in the past decade christine there have been numerous occasins of Americans being executed on tv in other countries. Hrmmm I guess that didn’t really happen and CNN made it up? I’m not saying we should sink to their level, but an eye for and eye! Also we should do it to prove we have the balls to treat scum like this in the proper manner. Don’t let him die on his terms to be a martyr execurte his ass in the most inhumane way possible, and make him dress up in womans clothes holding gay porn. This will be an embarassment to him and his country as muslims belive homosexuality to be the worst crime.
Christine the Lioness added
Keith… please don’t tell me you’re referring to Americans being kidnapped by terrorists and executed. Because last time I checked, no terrorists are putting together trials for hostages lately. Otherwise, when Americans are arrested, they are given a trial, and yes, sometimes, if found guilty, they are executed. The same goes for criminals in the US who are citizens of other countries.
Do you really not see how it would impede foreign relations to just execute citizens of other countries because we feel like it????
Your ideas, Keith, are completely based on emotion and not on preserving a system of justice that respects human rights. If you allow the government to just execute someone without a trial because they’re a scumbag, then the government has the right to just execute anyone. The point of a trial is to make sure there is proof of a crime. I seriously can’t believe I’m explaining this to you.
And again… why the hell would we care what Muslims believe to be the worst crime? You’re missing the point (again), Keith… it’s not about what they think. It’s about *our* laws and *our* legal system.
eric the Lil' Devil got all philosophical
the problem with our legal and moral ideals in america is that the muslim terrorists that judged over 2000 people in the towers gave no chance for a trial or thought to innocense! the treatment and fairness should fit the offense. hell mcveigh was a citizen and he didn’t deserve a trial but got one, so i understand your logic christine. But no matter how we punish or treat moussaui there will most likely be backlash for it, why not make an example of him and show that this behavior is unacceptable? crime is crime but terrorism such as this,is not on the same level as say; theft, or murder. that is why there should be another method of judgement and punishment for this asshole.
Christine the Lioness uttered
Well… I see where you’re coming from, Eric, but I disagree. Let me make a couple points:
1. Don’t forget why we have trials to begin with (and allow the accused to be defending by an attorney even if he can’t afford one, and have a jury of peers, etc.). It’s because in tihs country (God bless it! **== ) we are “innocent until proven guilty by a jury of our peers.” Period. At the expense of sounding like a Civil Studies text book, I think it’s one of the things that makes the US superior to other countries. No one can knock on your door, accuse you of something you didn’t do, and then go execute you. So the system itself preserves the liberties of innocent people. Now… even guilty people deserve a trial. Here’s why… because if we don’t preserve their rights to a trial, we can’t preserve the rights of the innocent ones. So the “right to a trial whether you’re guilty or not” is a foundation of our legal system that must be protected.
2. Again, this isn’t about what muslim terrorists did in terms of judging and killing innocent people. I don’t give a shit what they think. Do I give a shit why Ted Bundy kidnapped, raped, and murdered women? No. It can’t be relevant what was in his mind that justified it. All that matters is that the US has a system to deal with this stuff and built into that system are rights that protect innocent people from being falsely convicted. No killer in the history of people murdering other people, gave their victims a chance at a trial. All murder victims are exactly that… victims. It is never fair to them whether there is one victim or 2,000. So be careful not to get caught up in the emotional part of this that makes you look at the fact that 2,000 people lost their lives and then have so much hate for them that you think it’s worth breaking down our legal foundation and the rights we have to punish them. They will be punished. Trust me. But the trial is important– just like the trial of Saddam Hussein is important. And he too, will be executed for what he’s done.
3. I’m not saying terrorism is the same level of crime as theft, but that’s irrelevant. The important thing is upholding our system regardless of the crime committed. Like I said before, once you open that door, you can’t close it again.
4. There will be backlash for executing or not executing Moussaui. But we shouldn’t be concerned with that in my opinion. We don’t allow people to get away with murder because we’re scared of backlash. Besides, if the terrorists were going to kill Americans based on what we do with Moussaui, I don’t believe that for a second. They killed Americans because of their twisted political agenda which had nothing to do with Moussaui being apprehended– it was planned long before we even knew about Moussaui. They are going to commit acts of terror regardless of what we do or how we respond, because they’re terrorists plain and simple.
Keith the Director mentioned
yes i am to, and please don’t patronize me with feeling the need to explain things in general that are obvious…I’m quite intelligent enough to understand the way of things, and i just think we are handling this like a bunch of pussies. Like I said before, and eric reitterated did the 2000 plus in the towers, or hundreds in the pentagon get a chance? I’m tired of this whole higher standard blah blah.. we as americans have higher standards, and should stick by them for ppl who deserve it.
If we send a message of power by frying his ass on live tv maybe they will get the message. right now they look at us like wimps…they don’t have it in them to execute anyone! So there for we can do whatever we want and the worst will get is life in prision.
Also again like eric said there is a huge difference to orchestrating terrorist attacks that kill hundreds and thousands of people and joe smoe who is accused of offing some guy for fucking his wife, or some guy who suposedly stole something… Put them in trial and prove their guilt. Quite a bit of difference!
Christopher the Pyro asserted
I’m not sure anybody views us as wimps.. I mean generally when we go to war we end up killing millions of the other team while a few thousand of our soldiers die. The one thing we are very good at as a country is killing other countries people.
That being said.. we have some rules here that need to be respected even if on occassion breaking them would serve a very nice short term goal. There is a real danger of starting down a path that is a slippery slope.. and while I would be the first to put a bullet in the back of a convicted terrorists head it really doesn’t hurt us all that bad to actually convict them first. I am also all for creative and painful ways to push these people, I would not lock them up, or kill them, I would allow some really really mean people to just torture them on Live TV, 24/7 until basically their heart gives out. That would pretty much show we mean business without allowing them to die a “hero’s dealth”.
Keith the Director commented
Well said chris.. and i think I have to agree that is the best example I’ve read. We do an excellent job of kicking ass in wars, and countries should have realized by now not to fuck with us, but continually do. i do understand we have to live up to certain things or the fabric of our gov. might fall apart, but something needs to be done to send these terrorist fucks a clear message that if you screw with us you will get delt with accordingly!
Christine the Lioness up'n wrote this
You don’t think invading their damn country and taking it over because they harbored terrorists sort of sends the message that they’ll get dealt with accordingly?
Christopher’s argument was good until he got to the torture part. Surely he can understand that if omitting a trial is a slippery slope, then torturing people when we have laws about “cruel and unusual punishment” is also a slippery slope.
And again… why do you all care so much if the terrorists see him as a hero? He’s not. Plain and simple. What difference does it make what they think??? I personally don’t give a shit if they think Moussaui is god… they’re insane so why would we care?
Keith the Director spake, and sayeth
It does and doesn’t… I haven’t seen any effects from anything we’ve done over there yet. our troops are still over there, Iraq is still fucking up calling us ut by bombing things. Iran is starting up, and N. korea and China are still threats. I dunno I’m not satified yet. When things transipre hear in a few months maybe who knows. i don’t think any results have been yeilded to make me sway otherwise. I still say we need to start worrying about our own borders and less about other countries inner turmoil.
Christine the Lioness spake, and sayeth
So you don’t believe that overthrowing a country that not only harbors terrorists, but funds terrorism, and helping them set up a democracy and a country that will be our ally will help to eradicate terrorism from that area, and hence prevent more attacks like 9/11?
Keith the Director chimed in with
Ap: msnbc
Moussaoui, as he was led from the courtroom after the 15-minute hearing, said: ?America, you lost. … I won.? He clapped his hands as he was escorted away…
Judge Leonie Brinkema was to hand down the life sentence Thursday morning, bound by the jury?s verdict. Offering assurance to the losing side, she told prosecutors: ?The government always wins when justice is done.? Moussaoui smiled at that…
Keith the Director added
Oh but he had nothing to do with any of it right? You don’t mock the legal system and not show a shred of emotion throughout an ordeal like this without haveing a hand in something! This fuck deserves to die..and I’d be more than happy to go to spend the 10 cents for a bullet and put it to his dome and pull the trigger, after cutting off all his fingers toes, cock and ballz and cutting off his hands and feet! After that suffereing I feel he could then be worthly of a $.10 bullet.
Now taxpayers money has to go to prisons to preserve this fucks life! I hope they put him in general population let BUBBA have his way with him daily for about a week then let some guy come up and icepik his ass!
Christine the Lioness scribbled
How do you really feel, Keith? 
Keith the Director stated
wait… you don’t wanna know how i really feel! that was edited for telvison, i mean internet where uknown ages may read 
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