Even Christine once a staunch ACLU supporter (now a self proclaimed “Moderate” – which pretty much automatically disqualifies oneself for ACLU membership) has lost faith in an organization that seems on the surface (their title) that it should be about things that both her and I tend to care about. (Keeping and expanding our freedoms).
The ACLU lates and greatest cause is to argue that people are entitled to privacy even when they are in public. I know what your thinking.. “That doesn’t so bad”. Well what about if that privacy right the ACLU is arguing for is the right to have private sex in a public restroom. Yes.. you read that right… In an effort to help Sen. Larry Craig, the American Civil Liberties Union is arguing that people who have sex in public bathrooms have an expectation of privacy.
While I will give the ACLU this point, technicallly they may be correct because in the past courts have ruled that people who have sex in public restrooms.. (it pains me to write that the courts have ruled on this before)… do have an expectation of privacy. However where I start to disagree at least in spirit with their argument is when they go on to say when Craig tapped his feet and swiped his hand under a stall divider in a way that signaled he wanted sex, that he wasn’t doing anything would have called attention to itself in a closed stall in the public restroom. Granted… I can’t say I’ve ever wonderd what was going on behind closed bathroom stalls, nor do I ever really think I will.
Look I’m all for people doing whatever they want.. infact I’m all for people have sex in plublic places.. but if you get caught your busted.. if you happen to be the unlucky guy who tries to get sucked off by the undercover cop in the next stall and you get busted.. man up and take your $300 fine. This really shouldn’t be protected undered privacy rights.
I’m just curious how they handle this situation in the Cayman Islands… I suppose there’s a $300 fine and a 20% duty on the glory-hole BJ?
Like Christopher said, I’m all for civil liberties. But these days I really can’t help but wonder why the ACLU has chosen to protect some of the rights it has. There are plenty of Civil Liberties being violated all the time, yet the ACLU uses its clout to focus on protecting the rights of illegal immigrants to drive in a country they haven’t legally been allowed to enter, and promote sex in public restrooms. WTF?
I understand the reasonable expectation of privacy in a stall in a public bathroom. But how can we possibly overlook the intention of providing public restrooms to begin with? They serve a purpose– they are intended to be a place where people can go to urinate, defecate, and wash their hands.
Is it reasonable to expect that I can go into a public bathroom, lock myself in a stall and go to sleep? Or shoot heroine? Or write a movie? None of those things fall under what a public restroom is intended to be used for. Granted, they’re not illegal, but if I did any of those things, I could certainly be ticketed for loitering.
There’s a time and place that’s appropriate for everything. Public restrooms should be decent enough that a mother can take her four year old kid into one and not expect to hear two people having sex in the stall next door.
When using a bathroom owned by someone besides yourself, you need to respect why you’re being allowed to use something that you don’t own. There are definitely clubs where that is allowed, but the bathroom in an airport is not one of them.
Hey, you people are making robot shopping carts now… Nothing surprises me anymore…
…and I wasn’t going to say anything… but I find it disconcerting that PJ knows the going rate for a glory-hole job here… :s
Ummm… I referenced Christopher’s example (above) for the fine amount ($300) plus your reference to the duty rate in the Cayman Islands (from another post) and used that as an example. How do you know the going rate?
That’s how I spend me Friday nights lad…
Your mother told me…
That’s what I charge…
No bucks, no glory…
Shall I go on?
I think shooting heroin is illigal…
I’ve heard you can go on for ever — that’s why the lads like you so much!
(Btw, mom’s been dead for 15 years, so that one doesn’t really draw my ire.)
Geez, ‘topher — ur so literal :d
Hey KY$300 is a lot of cash, gotta give money’s worth …and I was really hoping to offend you PJ…
Yeah Chris, shooting Herons is illegal here too… I think just the Blue ones though…
ROTFLMAO — had to read it twice…
Is it illegal to shoot the Blue ones anywhere, or just in the restroom stalls?
“When using a bathroom owned by someone besides yourself, you need to respect why you’re being allowed to use something that you don’t own. There are definitely clubs where that is allowed, but the bathroom in an airport is not one of them.”
Clubs with F**K-me stalls?? Y’all are weird like Al Yankonit…
PJ: Clubs with F**K-me stalls??
Why did this make me think of Green Eggs and Ham?
Would you fuck me in a hall
Would you fuck me in a stall
Would you fuck me here or there
Would you fuck me anywhere
Would you fuck my eggs and ham, would you fuck them, Sam I am
Since when did K.Y. start costing $300???? You can get it waaaaay cheaper in the states.
And yes, PJ, he IS sooooooo literal. At times it makes me want to stab myself in the wrists with a paring knife.
“Since when did K.Y. start costing $300???? You can get it waaaaay cheaper in the states.”
Since Trouble began doing port-hole jobs in the Cayman Islands… supply and demand, darling!
“Why did this make me think of Green Eggs and Ham?
Would you fuck me in a hall
Would you fuck me in a stall
Would you fuck me here or there
Would you fuck me anywhere
Would you fuck my eggs and ham, would you fuck them, Sam I am”
Oooohhhh, she likes to talk dirty over martinis… :p (d)
Mara: I don’t generally like to speak for others — hell, I have a hard enough time speaking for myself most days — but I think I can answer for Trouble this time:
Would you fuck me in a hall — Yes!
Would you fuck me in a stall — Yes!
Would you fuck me here or there — Yes and Yes!
Would you fuck me anywhere — Yes!
Would you fuck my eggs and ham, would you fuck them, Sam I am? — Yes!
and to quote my friend — “We could do something you wouldn’t like, and I guarantee you’d like it… “
…um… You’re joking about the $300 KY… Right, Christine? …just checking [I mean, you ARE blond...]
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