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Well… the numbers wouldn’t change right? I mean… you were either killed in the Bible or you weren’t…
Well what I was referring to was the number of people killed in the name of god as oppose to in the name of Satan.
She’s such a nitpicker… Gawwwd… You’ll smoke a turd in hell for that one anyway…
Ahhhhh…. now I get it.
Actually… yes, I just put some more thought into this… I’m guessing that number of people killed in the name of Satan is wrong. I mean how many people have been murdered because someone thought they were evil or possessed…? Think about it… the witch trials, all the psychotics like Son of Sam who killed because voices told them people were evil and needed to die, the Spanish Inquisition, botched “exorcisms” by Catholic priests… there’s got to be more than ten.
No.. the 30 people who died in the Salam which trials died because the religious people killed them in the name of God..
I see your point. So only cults that worship the devil can kill in the name of Satan?
Well when was the last Satan sanction crusade?
“Sanctioned” crusades aren’t ever really “sanctioned” though. Anyone can kill anyone else in the name of pretty much anything.
Well if that is the case then priests or the pope are no more in tune with God then everyday people… because the popes of past certainly did sanction crusades.
I would argue that they aren’t any more “in tune” with God than everyone else. I meant that sanctioned crusades were never actually sanctioned by God. There’s no evidence that God ever wanted the crusades. Those ideas germinated with human beings.
There is no “evidence” that God exists, or really ever wants or deems anything tho. It’s all about faith.
Right, so doesn’t that make it kind of obvious that priests and popes (present and past) aren’t “in tune with God” anymore than anyone else could be???
Unless they ARE in tune and God is telling them to create holy wars… that is what a lot of people believe…
But again… believing that relies on believing that faith is connected to human decisions– which is not in any way connected to the existence of God. For example, there could be a God, but the pope insisting on a holy war or crusade could be creating one for selfish reasons– and not because “God” said to. That is how religion and faith get corrupted by humans. There is a perceived connection there when there really isn’t.
Yes.. it is obvious that religion was created by people to serve people and not by God to serve people however.. if we go with that line of thinking then the bible and other holy books really don’t matter because they are not the word of god anyway.. since they were penned by people.
Right… so what are you trying to argue exactly? That more people kill in the name of God than Satan?
So what? They could be killing in the name of broccoli and cheese and it doesn’t matter. It makes no difference what false reason they give… they could choose from a million different reasons– they’re all manufactured. So if none of them are real, it doesn’t matter which one they chose. To imply that it reflects somehow on God himself makes no sense. If I kill someone in your name, and you had nothing to do with it, it doesn’t matter if I did it in your name or someone else’s. You are still separate from the action which I committed of my own volition. There’s no real connection other than a completely manufactured one in my own mind.
So then.. I guess the only thing that matters is how many people died in the bible directly from God.
But like you said… the Bible was written by people who are imperfect and err… so even that shouldn’t be taken as accurate data.
Well when was the last Satan sanction crusade?
Well, in *my* opinion, Sept 11th, but I understand how you could argue differently.
So then.. I guess the only thing that matters is how many people died in the bible directly from God.
Should we attribute the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the Great Flood, directly to God as being a “mean God” (as some people view the Old Testament), or do you attribute it to the evil persuasion of Satan who cause all of the debauchery and wickedness??
I mean, we could say that God created the VA Tech shooter in his own image, so we *could* attribute the death of 32 innocents to God, or we could attribute the deaths to Satan who preverted his mind and soul (theologically speaking)?
If you think the 11th of September was a Satans crusade, you should know that when Katrina (huricane or whatever) hit America, the muslims said this was Alah answering their prayers
But to a different point: If you argue such a topic, then you cant doubt Bible, cos then the whole topic losses perspective. This is a IF god&satan&allelse exist; who killed more? You cant go thatone killed this many and the other killed thatmany, but they dont acctually exist… Existance is irrelevant here…
And yes, its only people killing people with excuses…
But back to the bible:
Sodoma, Gomorrah, Babylon, the Great flood…
Its logical why God killed more people than Satan, reason being that Satan gets their souls just by him doing nothing, noone of them can foil his plans and besides, he doesnt give a jacks ass for the mundane goings of real life cos he never invested anything here… On the other hand God made the world, the planet and the human… He kinda cares, cos he doesnt like seeing people shit all over his great work and that is when we get divine retribution…
People sined when they craped on his work>he kills em for punishment>Satan gets souls…
Why would Satan want to kill people? He prefers them living so they can shit some more…
Hmm, interesting post Abby.
So… just exactly who, or what, decides the fate of your soul? Do you only go to hell if you explicitly make a deal with the devil, or do you go for doing evil on earth? If you go for doing evil on earth, then is it God sending you to hell for punishment, or the devil taking you away from God? After all, we are all God children, so if we go to hell, Satan must be kidnapping us. Yet, Lucifer (the angel) was obviously subservient to God prior to being cast into eternal damnation… what would change that after the fact?
Is God completely good and Satan completely evil? If so, is the Universe a classic Yin-yang environment — half white being God and half black being Satan — always in constant struggle with each other over our souls? Or is there a Supreme Being who is half white and half black — at constant struggle within itself?
The Bible says that after The Great Flood God declared that he would no longer smite the people — is that the conflicted God turning over a new, pious leaf?? Can we, mere mortals, be better led to salvation through the carrot of sacrifice (Jesus dying on the cross for us) than the threat of a big stick (such as The Flood)?
Just curious…
Hey, I like the new title Zen Master… it makes my more spiritual (sounding)
I see you’re falling very comfortably into that role. Of course, this comment will make no sense once you are no longer a Zen Master…
But, hey, how many of my comments make sense the next day anyway?? Besides, my plan is to overtake Keith the Director, then to quit commenting all together.
lets try this from a different perspective:
1)all religions are just different versions of the 3/1 God
2)each religion says worrship our god or go to hell
3)each religion states you can only have ONE religion
soo…. you automaticaly go to muslim hell if youre catholic and vice versa….
you cant be both at the same time…
so you have full control of youre life and without any regard to youre actions, you will go to hell afterwards…
Abysium wrote: “lets try this from a different perspective:
1)all religions are just different versions of the 3/1 God
2)each religion says worrship our god or go to hell
3)each religion states you can only have ONE religion”
Well, *that* certainly is a different perspective — it’s grossly false, but it IS DIFFERENT!!
First of all, #1 is false: Buddhism and Hinduism, for instance, do not have any aspects of the Holy Trinity (which is what I think you’re saying by “3/1 God”).
Likewise, for #2 : Buddhism does not have a “hell”, nor does Hinduism per se.
In regard to #3: one of Hinduism’s basic beliefs is that all religions are the light of God, and all provide a pathway to salvation. (which I happen to agree with — and seeing as how I am a Zen Master, I must be right! )
What you’re describing is more accurately related to Abrahamic religions — that is, Judaism, Islam and Christianity. They are, by no means, the entire concept of religion nor “salvation”. In fact, there are still some practicing polytheistic religions as well, I believe.
Sorry, my emoticon above was wrong — it was supposed to be a smiley face
not a shocked and in disbelief face!
LOL!
hmm… should have put more efort into that post (but its hard typing if you got a hottie in your lap)
yes, i know many religions dont have a concept of hell… should have made my exemple only on the 2 religions and not spread it out on all…
so let me rephrase my ramblings
1)all religions are teoreticaly just different version of the same concept, gods name, sex, form, number and existance may vary from one to other, but thats why they are different
2)religions with a concept of hell will send you there if youre not one of their flock
3)… hmm, i dont acctually see what was wrong with my third statement soo ill just copypaste it;
each religion states you can only have ONE religion
yes, as you stated “one of Hinduism’s basic beliefs is that all religions are the light of God, and all provide a pathway to salvation.”
soo…all religions are the light of God, but as they evolved they each(concentrate on Abrahamic religions at this point) wanted to become dominant and so they started to cancel each other… each is a pathway to salvation, yesh, but only if there are no other religions present…
Not Christopherism, in my religion (which as of right now Christine is my only devoted follower) people can and should worship as many religions as they can. That way they have the best chance of someone accepting them to heaven… and also vetoing the trip straight to hell…
Let’s not kid ourselves. Christopher knows the only way he’s gonna get into Heaven at this point is if I put in a good word with God, so he’s hoping I go first and pave his path to Salvation.
… I don’t know.. Christine do you remember last time we had a fight…
Christine: “Christopher… let me just say.. you are the worst man I’ve ever meant and your heathen soul will burn in hell if I have anything say about it”.
I really don’t think I can depend on you putting in a good word… however.. if I have my own religion.. I might still be saved.
So, ‘topher, how many sperm (future living beings!) have you killed in the name of your religion’s God??
That creamy white stuff you left on ‘tine’s chin last night was not just a skin treatment, it was a soul according to the Book of ‘topherism…
ewwwww!
Those people have not been killed by God, but rather by satan. You see, God gives people a choice, follow Him and have eternal life, or follow satan and die. Those who chose to follow satan are getting satan’s reward for choosing him, and his reward is dead.
Am I the only one who noticed that PJ overtook Keith several hundred comments ago, and has yet to make good on this, “my plan is to overtake Keith the Director, then to quit commenting all together.”?
Banish him forth to the great abyss… (n)
…And BTW, I’m of the opinion that Christopher already knows the way to heaven… It may however require some penitent groveling if you’re not in the mood…
Some grumpy ole Pirate said: “Am I the only one who noticed that PJ overtook Keith several hundred comments ago, and has yet to make good on this, “my plan is to overtake Keith the Director, then to quit commenting all together.”?
Banish him forth to the great abyss…”
Trouble: I will simply remind you of your own words — “You’ll smoke a turd in hell for that one…” I also find it suspicious that you’ve been AWOL for the better part of the month and now that my co-worker has returned from her Cayman Island honeymoon, you suddenly start posting comments with great zeal! She claims you never found her… perhaps that explains your grumpiness
Oh and just to clarify…
“Am I the only one who noticed that PJ overtook Keith several hundred comments ago, and has yet to make good on this, “my plan is to overtake Keith the Director, then to quit commenting all together.”?”
I mistakenly typed Keith when I actually meant to write Christopher the Pyro…
But I have been better…
about using multiple comments just to boost my ranking
… and I’m using less emoticons these days. I’m already on the 3rd step of Emoticons Anonymous program! (i)
You’re not through the woods yet my friend… Now you must take a moral inventory of yourself… May I suggest writing very …very small so as to fit it all onto one legal pad…
I prefer scrolls when conducting a moral inventory…