The difference between “sacrifice” of an 18 yea old in the military and a snowflake baby is an 18 year old chooses to join the military. They choose to put their life on the line and the know the risks and rewards getting into that situation. It is the same as people who fish the rough waters of the great banks.. or barren straight.. they get involved in that situation because they risk to payoff is big.. the snowflake babies are not making the choice of how they are going to be used themselves, .. (just like children don’t make choices for themselves until they are 18.. legally).
I couldn’t agree with you more, Christine. I think the idea of “adopting” these snowflake babies is insane. I’m assuming by “adoption” we’re talking about implanting the embryos and hoping that they become full term babies. What about the rate of failure with IVF?? If I harvested 12 eggs, and 10 were successfully fertilized, 4 were implanted, the odds of all 4 surviving not good. Also, it’s my understanding that the embryos are screened, and the most viable are implanted, so the ones left over, the “snowflake babies” are the less viable, lower quality eggs. Aren’t we setting the adoptive parents up for miscarriage, and therefore the “snowflake babies” “die” anyway? Have you ever had a relative suffer and die from a disease like Parkinson’s or Alzheimer’s? I would go right now, give myself shots every day, harvest my eggs, and have them fertilized if it meant I could give those embryos to a scientist who might be able to find a cure. They aren’t babies, my babies are upstairs in bed. They are, however, life, and just like my blood could save another life, so could my eggs.
Doesn’t anyone know about the difference between adult stem cells and embrionic stem cells? The adult stem cells are the ones with all the promise to help cancer and Alzheimer’s and more. The embrionic stem cells haven’t done anything. Bush didn’t outlaw the research, just the goverment funding. And not even funding of embrionic stem cell research, just on newly killed babys. If you want to aid the research, donate cord blood.
Good guess, Christopher. Sarah’s full of shit. Check your facts, girl. Embryonic stem cells have great potential for curing diseases like Parkinson’s because at the embryonic stage, they can still become any type of cell, thus having the ability to repair any type of organ. And actually, Bush didn’t support stem cell research on aborted embryos, not “newly killed babies.” “Newly killed babies” (like any other “newly killed” people) are buried or cremated. He did threaten to veto a bill that would allow for taxpayers’ money to support stem cell research on embryonic stem cells. So I have no idea where you’re getting your facts… the Enquirer maybe? Anyway, the good news is… AP broke the news today that researchers have made a breakthrough in fusing embryonic stem cells with skin cells– which then retain embryonic properties. This is excellent news because it means that with more research, it is likely that scientists will be able to stop using embryonic stem cells and use other cells to continue trying to find the cures for these diseases… then all these whackos who would rather that people continue to die from potentially preventable diseases rather than use embryonic stem cells can have one less thing to bitch about. BTW– Sarah did make one good point… donating cord blood is a good way to support research.
These snowflakes do become children and these 100 children visited the White House a few months ago. Presedent Bush was able to see, firsthand, the potential of these embryos. They are children not just a frozen bunch of cells. The success rate is actually quite good and I think having these children adopted is morally a step in the right direction. We can’t just say, “they are just going to be thrown out if we don’t use them for research”. They could be someone’s child! My child! Also adult stem cell research has great potential for curing disease as well. I don’t see why we are so “hell bent” on having now regard for the sanctity of human life. Cells are a living thing, they are the beginning of life, so you can’t even make the argument that these embryos are not alive. Cells are what make up life. Just because the heart has not begun to beat does not mean that life has not started. I get tired of people just sticking to the argument of do what is right for the greater good. Utilitarianism always fails because someone always loses!
One last thing I have to say is that we need to respect one antoher in these debates and not curse at one another just to make ourselves feel better. It just makes you look ignorant. So let’s be adults okay.
It occurs to me that many people may not want their “extra” biological offspring adopted. Can you imagine the implications of all these embryos actually being born? Your own child could end up living with those crappy neighbors next door, for one thing. We’d need DNA testing before getting a marriage license to make sure the proposed spouse is not a close relative. More embryos are created all the time, and most will never be implanted. Perpetual cold storage or destruction will be their fate. Or they could help save lives and ease the suffering of people with brains and nervous systems and loved ones.
The success rate currently, taken off the Nightlight website (they started this snowflake baby adoption business)is 1584 donated embryos and only 96 became full term fetuses. That’s less than 15%, not what i’d consider a success by any definition of the word.
The difference between “sacrifice” of an 18 yea old in the military and a snowflake baby is an 18 year old chooses to join the military. They choose to put their life on the line and the know the risks and rewards getting into that situation. It is the same as people who fish the rough waters of the great banks.. or barren straight.. they get involved in that situation because they risk to payoff is big.. the snowflake babies are not making the choice of how they are going to be used themselves, .. (just like children don’t make choices for themselves until they are 18.. legally).
I couldn’t agree with you more, Christine. I think the idea of “adopting” these snowflake babies is insane. I’m assuming by “adoption” we’re talking about implanting the embryos and hoping that they become full term babies. What about the rate of failure with IVF?? If I harvested 12 eggs, and 10 were successfully fertilized, 4 were implanted, the odds of all 4 surviving not good. Also, it’s my understanding that the embryos are screened, and the most viable are implanted, so the ones left over, the “snowflake babies” are the less viable, lower quality eggs. Aren’t we setting the adoptive parents up for miscarriage, and therefore the “snowflake babies” “die” anyway? Have you ever had a relative suffer and die from a disease like Parkinson’s or Alzheimer’s? I would go right now, give myself shots every day, harvest my eggs, and have them fertilized if it meant I could give those embryos to a scientist who might be able to find a cure. They aren’t babies, my babies are upstairs in bed. They are, however, life, and just like my blood could save another life, so could my eggs.
Well said, Crystal.
Doesn’t anyone know about the difference between adult stem cells and embrionic stem cells? The adult stem cells are the ones with all the promise to help cancer and Alzheimer’s and more. The embrionic stem cells haven’t done anything. Bush didn’t outlaw the research, just the goverment funding. And not even funding of embrionic stem cell research, just on newly killed babys. If you want to aid the research, donate cord blood.
Sarah,
I’m not sure you know what the fuck your talking about.
Good guess, Christopher. Sarah’s full of shit. Check your facts, girl. Embryonic stem cells have great potential for curing diseases like Parkinson’s because at the embryonic stage, they can still become any type of cell, thus having the ability to repair any type of organ. And actually, Bush didn’t support stem cell research on aborted embryos, not “newly killed babies.” “Newly killed babies” (like any other “newly killed” people) are buried or cremated. He did threaten to veto a bill that would allow for taxpayers’ money to support stem cell research on embryonic stem cells. So I have no idea where you’re getting your facts… the Enquirer maybe? Anyway, the good news is… AP broke the news today that researchers have made a breakthrough in fusing embryonic stem cells with skin cells– which then retain embryonic properties. This is excellent news because it means that with more research, it is likely that scientists will be able to stop using embryonic stem cells and use other cells to continue trying to find the cures for these diseases… then all these whackos who would rather that people continue to die from potentially preventable diseases rather than use embryonic stem cells can have one less thing to bitch about. BTW– Sarah did make one good point… donating cord blood is a good way to support research.
These snowflakes do become children and these 100 children visited the White House a few months ago. Presedent Bush was able to see, firsthand, the potential of these embryos. They are children not just a frozen bunch of cells. The success rate is actually quite good and I think having these children adopted is morally a step in the right direction. We can’t just say, “they are just going to be thrown out if we don’t use them for research”. They could be someone’s child! My child! Also adult stem cell research has great potential for curing disease as well. I don’t see why we are so “hell bent” on having now regard for the sanctity of human life. Cells are a living thing, they are the beginning of life, so you can’t even make the argument that these embryos are not alive. Cells are what make up life. Just because the heart has not begun to beat does not mean that life has not started. I get tired of people just sticking to the argument of do what is right for the greater good. Utilitarianism always fails because someone always loses!
One last thing I have to say is that we need to respect one antoher in these debates and not curse at one another just to make ourselves feel better. It just makes you look ignorant. So let’s be adults okay.
It occurs to me that many people may not want their “extra” biological offspring adopted. Can you imagine the implications of all these embryos actually being born? Your own child could end up living with those crappy neighbors next door, for one thing. We’d need DNA testing before getting a marriage license to make sure the proposed spouse is not a close relative. More embryos are created all the time, and most will never be implanted. Perpetual cold storage or destruction will be their fate. Or they could help save lives and ease the suffering of people with brains and nervous systems and loved ones.
The success rate currently, taken off the Nightlight website (they started this snowflake baby adoption business)is 1584 donated embryos and only 96 became full term fetuses. That’s less than 15%, not what i’d consider a success by any definition of the word.
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