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John1040 the Soldier (59) Mara the Peacemaker penned this
Well, a few of things:
1) Imus over the years has said much worse that nappy headed ho. That doesn’t excuse what he said, but I just found it interesting that this was the term that got him canned. Bizarre, really.
2) The reaction of the some of the players was a bit over the top. I can understand being offended when someone calls you a nappy-headed ho. Would I have personally cared? I don’t know since Imus wasn’t talking about me. I like to think that I don’t give a shit about what people think of me, particularly individuals I do not know and have absolutely no relationship with. But one of the players actually said that she was “scarred for life.” I don’t know. I’ve been called worse than a nappy-headed ho by people that I actually knew (to my face) and it didn’t scar me and certainly didn’t have the long lasting ramifications that this player claimed. But then again, perhaps this was the first time some of those players had ever faced racism directed specifically at them (and yes, whether Imus was being racist is debatable — for the sake of argument, I’m assuming that it was). I can recall the first time someone called me a nigger to my face. I was 15 and it was so shocking, so offensive that I cried for the next several days. But I was 15. And I got over it. And I’m not scarred.
3) The reference to what rap and other hip-hop “artists” say about black women is irrevelant for purposes of what Imus said about these particular girls. These girls very well could be offended by rap artists say about them. I do know that one of the women from the team commented on that very issue — the fact is, no one, rap artists included, has the right to degrade them. Nobody knows their views on this music personally…no one knows how many CDs by Snoop Dogg they own, etc. So to say to these girls that black rap artists call women hoes all of the time is really misplaced. I mean, honestly, that’s you saying “Mara, you’re a ho” and that I shouldn’t be offended because the black man down the street called me one as well.
Simply put, no one has the right to degrade any woman. The fact that rap artists refer to black women as hoes in their music doesn’t deem the term inoffensive to black women. And there plenty of black people (I abhor the term “black community” because I really don’t know what the hell that is) against those individuals who degrade women, who speak out against it, etc. Though I am not a fan of his, I can say that Al Sharpton has criticized rappers many times about this issue. Tavis Smiley hosts a program called “State of the Black Union” and this has been addressed every single year. Rallies hosted by black churches addressing these issues are not broadcasted by the news. Townhall meetings that people have to organize boycotts of particular artists are not hot topics for the media. So don’t think that there aren’t black people who are offended by the music that incorporates and promotes the degradation of women. There are, just like there are those who support those artists and buy the music.
Christopher the Pyro uttered
Excellent Points Mara… and congratulations on entering our Top 10 in comments.
Christine the Lioness scribbled
Okay, I’ll chime in.
There are a lot of different issues at play. Here’s my two cents on each:
1. Imus was insensitive in what he said, if any of the women of the Rutgers team were offended, they deserved an apology, which he gave them. Like Mara, I can’t say whether I’d be offended if I’d been on the team because quite frankly, does it really matter what someone who’s never met you thinks about you? In the grand scheme, no it doesn’t. But hey, some people are sensitive, and since he was speaking about them, they certainly weren’t out of whack to be offended.
2. People keep likening this to the Duke university lacrosse scandal either because Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson– the fame whores that they are– decided to involve themselves in both and stir the pot; or because people are trying to point out that innocent people of all races can be victims of racism. The truth is… in both cases, it isn’t really about blacks vs. whites or men vs. women… it’s one individual doing something insensitive (in Imus’ case) or malicious (in Duke’s crazy stripper case) to another individual. Period. In both cases, they just happened to be of another race. I was listening to the radio this morning and a black guy called in to Kevin and Bean on KROQ to give his opinion about Imus. He said that he thought if Imus had called the girls “hos” it would have been fine, but when he added “nappy-headed” that made it racist and went over the line. So sexist remarks are acceptable but racist ones aren’t? I guess I’m confused. It’s okay to degrade women because they’re women, but not because they’re black… but if you’ve already degraded them as women… does it really matter if you degrade them because they’re black???
People degrade people for a variety of reasons every day. Honestly, so what? I’m not offended every time someone calls a blonde dumb or a woman a ho. So why is ANYONE offended by Imus’ remark other than the Rutgers girls who had a right to be?
Regarding Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson… they seem to think they’re speaking on behalf of the black community. I really wish someone in the “black community” would step up and tell them that they aren’t representing their views. Some of the blacks I know think they’re both wacko and don’t agree with their points of view at all… yet no one ever steps up and says “Please don’t think they speak for me, because they don’t.” So these fame-whores continue to interject themselves into any issue that they can twist into a problem between the races. Yet Mara’s right in the sense that if there are black organizations saying they don’t agree with that perspective, no one is giving them any media time.
The way I see it, there are two problems.
1. The media jumps on anything they can twist into black vs. white. I’m sure there were blacks who thought OJ was guilty but did the news show them? Nope. They showed the blacks jumping up and down for joy when he was acquitted even though it seemed very likely that he did indeed murder his white wife. The people shown jumping up and down looked stupid– they looked like people who hated whites so much, they’d celebrate a black man killing one of them and ignore the facts that suggested he was guilty. This bothers me because it increases tensions between the races for a reason that is totally manufactured and makes it look like those people represent the feelings of “the black community.”
2. The political correctness has finally started to impede on freedom of speech. We live in a society that if someone– a shock jock– offends you, the correct response it launch a campaign to have him kicked off the air. Why isn’t the correct response to just find something else to listen to? Why is everyone else accountable for not offending YOU?
I don’t particularly like the lyrics of most rap music in the sense that I do think they are degrading to women. So guess what… I don’t listen to them. Do I feel the rappers don’t have a right to express their opinions? No… of course they can. They can say anything they want. If a rapper wants to call women hos, let him. If a white wants to call a black a nigger, let him. It’s his opinion. If he wants to sell a record to me, or wants me to watch his show, or whatever, then he’ll need to change that, but if he doesn’t care whether I watch or not, let him do whatever he wants. We really really need to get back to realizing that in this country, everyone has the right to say and do whatever they want as long as it doesn’t infringe on anyone else’s rights. And the fact that people no longer have a choice to say what they want, or put up a Christmas tree, or whatever simply because it might “offend” someone else… please. This is simply par for the course. This country needs to wake the fuck up.
stevy B the Virgin asserted
fuck a bunch of niggers
Mara the Peacemaker spake, and sayeth
Christine, yes, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are TOTAL fame whores, but I don’t think someone in the “black community” (meaning someone black? What do you mean by this?) should step up and refute what they are saying. A sad reality of race in this country that I never cease to find mind boggling is the lumping of minority groups. I’ve seen it happen and am not quite sure why it does. Example: A white man gets on some news program to comment on a controversial racial topic. Whatever he says, whether the comments be outrageous or offensive, are not attributed to all of white individuals. People simply shake their heads and say “hey, that’s his opinion.” A black man does it and suddenly his views represent what black people think about a particular subject.
So it isn’t just that Sharpton and Jackson purport to speak on behalf of blacks everywhere. Some of us sort of assume that or buy into it as well. This sort of happened in this Imus situation. Because some rappers use ho and bitch in their music, people think that blacks don’t mind being called these names by people of the same race; that in fact, they embrace degradation. I cannot tell you how many people have asked me “Why are black people offended by this when rappers use these words all of the time” as if rappers represent millions of people concerning this subject.
And yes, the concern with offending has gone overboard. Wasn’t there some campaign against saying “Merry Christmas” some years ago as it would offend Muslims and Jews? It was nuts.
A lot of people find this strange about me but I have found over the years that I much prefer talking to people who I know are straight out die-hard racists (or sexists or any other “-ist” because at least I know from the get-go, what I’m dealing with. And in some ways, it can be refreshing. A testament to PC gone crazy? I don’t know.
eric the Lil' Devil thought this
well to all out there, listen to farakhan some time and tell me how pro black any white person should be, better yet spend any amount of time in prison, become an instant minority, and be forced to cooincide with over a 1000 FOI members that believe the white race is ill-equipped to survive due to our pale skin and intollerance to the sun,” which , by the way is how most so called muslims in the FOI translate the KORAN into english! the ultimate trick played in this country is to coddle the underdog, oppressed, and unfortunate, heart strings are tugged, a bunch of women, who go to college for free, get free ncaa money to live, and get ass f’d by an entire frat house on any given wekend feel insulted ny” nappy headed ho’s” , tattooed?” don’t be mad when someone calls you as they see you, 
freedom of speech can only be exercised in the privacy of your own home, curtains drawn, and with music drowning out the noise of your insignificant voice!
Christopher the Pyro stated
Snoop say’s “Rappers are not talking about no collegiate basketball girls who have made it to the next level in education and sports. We’re talking about ho’s that’s in the ‘hood that ain’t doing shit, that’s trying to get a nigga for his money. These are two separate things. First of all, we ain’t no old-ass white men that sit up on MSNBC going hard on black girls. We are rappers that have these songs coming from our minds and our souls that are relevant to what we feel. I will not let them muthafuckas say we in the same league as him.”
Mara the Peacemaker mentioned
Yes, I saw Snoop on MSNBC last night. He’s a character. I’m so relieved that he informed us all that college basketball players aren’t hoes.
Christopher the Pyro stated
However I’m awful offended he called Imus oll-ass white man… or how about muthafuckas… that’s pretty offensive… and I’m pretty sure that Imus has made if farther in life then your average crack addict. However I do want to inform Snoop that when I say Nigger, I’m referring to people like him.. and not well spoken black people who have made it to the next level in education and sports.
Christine the Lioness asserted
Mara, let me clarify what I meant about the whole “black community” thing. Yes, Al and Jessie are definitely (albeit self-appointed) claiming to jump in on behalf of the black community– ie., everyone with black skin. That’s why whenever there is a controversy surrounding a black person against a white person, they materialize maggots on roadkill. If a white person did that… gained attention and inertia from claiming to represent the white community… or if a woman did that, claiming to represent all women… I’m sure someone somewhere would publicly put that person in his/her place and let the world know that he/she doesn’t speak for them. The only reason that Al and Jessie continue to have any power at all (it certainly isn’t because they are well-spoken or particularly insightful), is because no one has put them in their place. If it happened, their self-indulgent egos would deflate. So that’s what I meant by that… The reason people buy into the idea that they are successfully speaking on behalf of “black America” is because no one has challenged that… not that any other black person should really be obligated to do so, but I can see where some whites might be misled into thinking they speak for at least the majority of blacks. And it’s this us-against-them mentality (which actually perpetuates racism) that allows Al and Jessie to continue to have any clout at all. So it’s not about if a white man does it people brush it off as his personal opinion, but if a black man does it, they don’t. I can’t even think of a white equivalent for Al and Jessie– any white person constantly inserting himself into every multi-racial situation hoping to point out how unfairly whites are treated. Honestly, can you think of any white person who does that?
With regards to Snoop… so it’s okay to judge and degrade some women because it comes from his soul because he’s judged those specific ones as golddiggers… but a white guy doesn’t have the same freedom…? Hrmmm… interesting point of view. Maybe Snoop should just roll another joint and let the grown ups talk.
Eric, honey… I’m sensing some anger. While my gut is telling me this might not be the right time to disagree with you… I rarely listen to my gut. 
I’m not sure everything you said about the Rutgers girls is 100% accurate. While I agree the freedom of speech should be preserved, to call those ladies “nappy-headed hos” is really out of the ballpark. They’re pretty high class girls, with excellent grades, and at the top of their game– which again, is why it surprises me they care at all what that dumbass Imus says.
Mara the Peacemaker commented
That he felt compelled to issue a “formal” statement at all is absurd.
eric the Lil' Devil added
let me be clear that imus is an asshole and had no right to say what he did but he only issued that statement because he wanted to save face, the guy wasn’t ashamed of saying it so you know he doesn’t regret it now except it cost him his job
Mara the Peacemaker pontificated
Christine, okay, I understand where you’re coming from now. But I wonder, do white people think in terms of a white community? I don’t know. It’s just something I never hear to begin with.
I also don’t know what constitutes putting Sharpton and Jackson in their place. I mean, people can disagree with them publicly all day long but they are continually given a forum in which to express their views and not always by blacks. So how much public disagreement is required before others understand that they do not speak for every black person in America?
Imus B. Dreaming the Virgin chimed in with
Fuck Sharptun ….. Where did the snipers of the sixties go ?
Sharptun is not worthy of being called “Reverend”, for he is THE BLACK SATAN.
Trouble the Pirate remarked
I read and comment on CvC, not because I agree with everything you guys say & or do… As a matter of fact I deem many things that Christopher says or does to be very offensive… Like when he mentions that me might start posting more pictures of Christine’s boobs… And DOESN’T! Who the hell does he think he is? I should start campaigning to have him removed from the web, do we really need one more lying bastard cluttering up our already sluggish internet with his empty promises and LIES? 
Okay, but back on topic… There is only one problem. People in America are fucking hypocrites [for want of a stronger adjective…] and before every single conveniently patriotic American suddenly feels offended by that statement and petitions G.W. Bush to send a nuke up my beautifully sculpted ass, let me wax misanthropic… This is not a condition isolated only to the population of the USA… Every single person in the world is a fucking hypocrite…
We can agree with, laugh at, laugh off… Or at the very least completely ignore any slur… Until it is directed at us. Then it’s war.
I’m an asshole… I know this fact… I like this fact… And when someone else notices my assholishness and rightfully points it out… I’m inclined to agree with them… I don’t have to pretend that I’m one person in public, and secretly be a completely different person at home.
If you happen to be a self-centered, materialistic, loud-mouthed, egotistical, fame-whoring, bullying, narcissistic, money-grubbing iconoclast, who doesn’t give a shit about anyone but yourself, and who can’t even bother to try to learn about or tolerate anything you haven’t spawned from your own little misguided, self-loving mind… Relax, you’re normal… Stop pretending you’re different when someone else is watching you… It’s a waste of your time and energy… They are exactly the same person you are inside, there are no fucking individuals, only lemmings [and that’s an insult to most self respecting lemmings… I expect a furry rash of hate-mail…]
Stop touting to the entire world that your system is the only way to go… Do you all think that we ‘third world’ people are so stupid that we can’t see that the USA is a nihilistic self-hating, practically communist [already Socialist] group of proudly uneducated whiners, whose only means of bolstering their vapid cheerleader-like ego’s is to bully the world into submission, because they have no hope of fixing even the simplest of their own innumerable problems? Well… We can… Because we’re exactly the same, we just have less weapons.
Stop fucking pretending to be something so much nobler than you are.
You are too concerned with fitting your latest credit-card into your wallet, or how you’re going to make the payments on the Beemer, or the Rolex… Or why the pimple-faced idiot-savant barista fucked up your mocha-chi skinny latte with too much foam… Or how many diamond chips are in yo grill, or how many old people you can fuck-out-of-a-pension they earned, what your latest domaign name sold for, where the NASDAC is at, the sale at Neiman’s, Brittany & Kevin, Fergie’s humps, and fuckin’ Youtube… To even have time to consider the REAL issues… So you leave it all up to a bible bashing, moron and his cronies from the lodge. You allow fucking idiots such as Sharpton, Jackson, Imus, and Snoop Dog speak for you, because you’re too busy whitening your teeth.
Own it, and stop bitching… For a nation who’s more concerned with Anna Nicole’s custody battle than important issues like how De Beers uses conflict diamond rhetoric to regulate the market, how criminals lobby your government and get everything they ask for, your children getting raped by an inadequate school system […sorry, babysitting service], your homeless situation, fighting unjust wars, crushing the lives of anyone you don’t agree with or understand, innocent men on death row, guilty men in public office, and why in god’s name Ashly Simpson’s career keeps going… You feel so self-righteous.
You’re no better than anyone else, individually or as a nation, and you’re no worse than any of us, we have all these issues too… We’re all only concerned with our own personal agenda. Which is why it’s so easy to point fingers and smugly tell ourselves were doing the moral imperative… Well we’re doing it all right… Right up it’s ass…
Acounta-fuckin-bility… It’s a word… Let’s all look it up… 
ProphetJoe the Irreverent added
^^^^
Watch out, that guy is Trouble!
But he does have a valid point about the pictures of Christine’s boobs!
So get out the 
and send us a 
Christine the Lioness penned this
Tell you what… start sending the s and 
s, and when I start feelin’ the 
I’ll consider letting Christopher bust out the . How’s that for creative use of emoticons? 
<– Me.
ProphetJoe the Irreverent said this
Cute (just like you), but I think you need a “boobs” emoticon how about:
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ProphetJoe the Irreverent hunt n' pecked this
Btw, we don’t know where to send the and …
WTF, if we’re sending YOU and , then why don’t we just buy you some 
and 
then maybe you’ll show us the 3 and we can use our own
say 
(cheese)
INSANE the Virgin remarked
WOW!! What a blistering set of comments. Much respect 2 all 4 the candidness. I am not 2 sure who Christine is, but she must have some real eye candies (give u a blak eye knockouts) 4 err’body to be interested in those pics. Reads like a real u got there. Anyway, I blogged at http://imus-chime-in.blogspot.com/ and thought I would see what happened when I Googled the term. Yours seem 2 b the most interesting. So, what shall I say, but that the race issue is such a distraction as Howard Zinn points out in A People’s History… The ruling class of money mongerers givin us peons something to argue about so they can rob us !!!! I mean, really, have we never heard about racism in AmeriKKKa b4? I boycott easily bcuz I don’t encourage givin my hard earned $ to anyone who would rather hang me from a tree or cut off my (or family jewels 2 b PC).
I don’t know about AL and Jesse on this one, but I will tell you they have worked hard to keep their platform, as did IMUS, and I am sure he will have another one. “$$ screams”, is what I heard someone say yesterday and $$ games have been the root of most, if not all, the scams and wars we are engaged in. With conviction I say, “2 many blaks still trying 2 b white!” “A ‘ho is as a ‘ho does!” I’m sure we all know one or two or have been the ‘ho ourselves. Now how ’bout the fact that one of the first rappers to talk adamantly about ‘ho’in, Eric (EZ-E) Wright has his name plastered on the AIDS quilt from his ‘ho’in around. Let’s not be 1-sided!!! “I knows u’s a ‘Ho, cuz I was ‘ho’in about wit ya!!” 
Can’t say IMUS was gettin any from the playaz, but maybe he was hoping 4 some. Maybe people should be more ashamed, but I have rarely seen AmeriKKKans who feel shame, guilt, or conscience about much.
Prez Clinton said,”Politicians pander 2 Imus, bcuz everyday people listen 2 him.” Imus just had a platform 2 express what people are either thinking or would like the freedom 2 say. Here in lies a real problem with AmeriKKKa: Folks have said, “I rather an open racist, than a society of closeted bigots! At least then I know what I am up against!” I mean, if you know someone is racist would you spend your time an energy trying 2 apply 2 their company? If you know someone hates you, would you spend your energy trying 2 make them your friend or showing them how well you and them can “get along”? I think not! As a matter of fact, you and them can stay out of each other’s way, which may make for a more lasting peace! So, racist or not, Imus is a scapegoat! He is one in a few billion that live in this world who would think and or say anything or close 2 anything about anyone bcuz it makes $$$. If anything I blame him for selling his soul 2 the ‘almighty dollar’. He makes $$$ hand over fist for corporations that blaks, whites, Asians, any other nationality or race u can conjure up or name etc., racists, sexists, homophobes, homosexuals, try-sexuals (try sex with anything), developing nation nationals, developed nation nationals, me, you, yo’ mama, yo’ daddy (if he is around or no where to b found), yo’ gran mama, yo’ aunt Jemima (who recently got a relaxer), and so on are still going 2 go and buy from. And as Chris Tucker said in Rush Hour 2 and this is a paraphrase, “Carter’s #1 rule of criminal investigation, ‘Follow the rich white man!’”
Lastly, on being called a Nigger! I was first introduced to my Niggerdom when I was a wee 5 yrs old. A very young, ignorant, and now dead (I did not kill him), red neck told me that it was his religious priority (piety), ..”not to like blak people!” It scarred/impressed me severely at that tender age. I would like to say, that despite his hatred and negativity, I overcame, and made many close and caring white friends (not to sound racist), that I still don’t talk much with about race issues (not sure that they could take or that I could put across my fury about systematic, institutionalized, racism, lynchings, etc. in a palatable way), and then, at every stage of my life, success and accomplishment, I have been confronted by the system (not only whites, but blaks 2) saying, “But you are still just a Nigger! Don’t think that we have changed. You better recognize!! You better try harder 2 ass-i-milate (which I now define as ‘learn to kiss my ass the way u should’!)” All that the 5yr old said 2 me becomes reinforced! He was a Roman Catholic, his grandfather was the Chair of the engineering department that for a time was denying my father tenure and then denying him the Chair (who knows, maybe my dad really didn’t deserve it), so when the nuns held me back in 1st grade for phonics, and then 20+ yrs later, the school I had recruited 4, for 6 years and had earned my M.Ed. turned around to tell me that, “We don’t have confidence in your ability 2 do the work you were hired 2 do!” (based on an incident where some light skinned student said I threatened him) without sufficient evidence in any of my performance related evaluations, it strikes a cord in me, “Is this because whites religiously are not supposed 2 like blaks and have taught the ‘Toms’ 2 keep the overseer mentality going?” I mean, while they were letting me go, they said sign this and that, and we will give u some $$$ if u promise not to write, say, or publish anything negative, EVER, about us, our heirs, our officers, students, etc. But if I had signed I would have been given up my GOD given ability 2 speak and less importantly my 1st Amendment right to freedom of speech (freedom, not meaning without restraint, more appropriately meaning, w/o compensation). I hope that no one sees this has hate mail or hate blogging, but opinions run the gamut and misconceptions rule the day sometimes. And really, does anybody care?
SO LONG! A tale from INSANE- the Runaway SLAVE!!
INSANE the Virgin chimed in with
I like: 3 but think it could be: QQ or UU
Christine the Lioness commented
Isn’t OO much nicer?
ProphetJoe the Irreverent added
Isnt OO much nicer?
I don’t know — QQ depicts fullness AND erect nipples!
That always makes me a happy little 
ProphetJoe the Irreverent uttered
OK, what the hell am I going to use this emoticon for?
ProphetJoe the Irreverent chimed in with
What pluggin are you using with the Vistered Little theme for the emoticons?
Inquirying minds want to know!
INSANE the Virgin penned this
QQ depicts fullness AND erect nipples! Is quite right and won’t only make Joe more happy, but should make the sensations more pleasurable for their owner.
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