The Magic Number

Posted on August 22nd, 2005 by Christine.
Categories: Sex and Relationships.

At what point does a woman “need” to sleep with a guy before he loses interest in dating her any more?

I’ve known lots of guys, friends and men I’ve dated or been in relationships with, and most of them tell me that there’s no magic number… but I think they just tell me that because I’m a woman and they don’t want to look like assholes.

The truth is, we women learn pretty early on that there is definitely an expectation among guys that if a woman doesn’t want to sleep with them, eventually they will date someone who does. I know that in the past, I’ve felt some pressure (maybe self-imposed) to have sex by date 3…

Is there a magic number?

Personally, I’m not a big fan of these “games.” I pretty much know by the second date if I’m willing to continue seeing a guy, and I already know if I’m going to sleep with him. So once I know it’s in the cards and he’s someone I’m attracted to, both physically and mentally, why “hold out” and play a game? Some women say if you give it up too soon a guy won’t respect you, so a lot of women put off sex (when they really want it too) just to get a guy’s respect. My feeling on this is most guys don’t decide whether they respect a girl by whether or not she plays this game right (I find it sort of manipulative anyway in the sense that she’s strategically trying to get something from him by withholding something else). Guys don’t seem to think that way. I tend to think that’s a very female perspective that women project on to guys. Either a guy respects you, or he doesn’t. Plain and simple. And that seems to have no bearing on whether or not he wants to bang your brains out. I have guy friends whose girlfriends started as one night stands and they’re still together today…

For me, I decided a long time ago that I was just going to have sex when I realized that he was a guy I wanted to have sex with, and not try to second guess when was the right time in his mind. But I can’t say it didn’t cross my mind that a guy I like might dump me if I didn’t have sex by date 5… I think at some point, a guy will lose interest even if he likes a girl, because sex is a big part of a relationship in a lot of peoples minds. I know for myself that if a guy didn’t at least try to hook up with me by the fifth date, I would probably assume he didn’t like sex as much as I do (or is gay), and a love for sex is an interest I think we really need to share (at least in my relationships), so he’s probably not the one for me. -)

29 comments.

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Christopher the Pyro added

Whatever she asked me if I wanted to fuck in the restroom at Houstons on our first date.

August 22nd, 2005

Christine the Lioness pontificated

Since Christopher’s telling this story, let me ask a question… did we fuck? I’m dying to find out how this tale ends…

August 22nd, 2005

Christopher the Pyro uttered

No.. I shut you down until the third date.

August 22nd, 2005

Christine the Lioness thought this

Was that before or after the dish ran away with the spoon?

August 22nd, 2005

Christopher the Pyro quibbed this

No.. that was on the third date and you said I had to sleep with you or you would lose interest in me. You made me give up the dick. (To my credit, CC is a good lookin girl, I just wasn’t sure I wanted to bring a liberal into my life.. they are a little looney).

August 22nd, 2005

Christine the Lioness said this

I think the fact that you felt so desperate to please me so I wouldn’t lose interest in you is actually to my credit. -) But sorry… didn’t mean to pull a Kobe on ya.

August 22nd, 2005

Christopher the Pyro added

I really just felt I should just tap that pussy, and take the gamble that you wern’t a lunatic.. (I lost that gamble people).

August 22nd, 2005

Christine the Lioness hunt n' pecked this

Yeah, I was a little disappointed too. -)

August 22nd, 2005

Christopher the Pyro got all philosophical

lol, is that #6 in the article above for how many times you got off in the first 15 minutes…?

August 22nd, 2005

adlib the Virgin up'n wrote this

I can think of several reasons of delaying sex other than “playing games”.

August 26th, 2005

Christopher the Pyro stated

For example..?

August 26th, 2005

beau the Virgin chimed in with

The things is, women know pretty darn quick whether they are going to have sex with the man. If I’m a guy and I know this, then witholding is only gonna make the guy think you don’t want him. At least a paranoid neurotic like me will think that. Usually intuition is used to gauge the respect factor of the women. I mean, if a girl has sex with a guy, how can the guy perceive it as a bad thing? my 2 cents

August 26th, 2005

Christine the Lioness hunt n' pecked this

Actually… it’s not quite as simple as beau is making it. Women know right away if they WOULDN’T have sex with a guy… but it takes (sometimes) a little longer to know if they WOULD have sex with a guy. But no girl wants to have sex with a guy who’s a paranoid neurotic… and girls are pretty wise to guys who say and do things “only” to try to get them into bed. So if you’re just yourself, and let her see who you really are, and make advances when it feels right to you… you can both cut through the red tape and she will know more quickly if she likes you enough to sleep with you and you won’t have to worry about whether or not she’s playing a game or doesn’t like you, etc. my 2 cents… we’re up to 4 now.

August 26th, 2005

Christopher the Pyro commented

Girls neede to give it up faster so us guys can tell if she is good in bed and even worth our time and effort.

August 26th, 2005

j-honey the Virgin up'n wrote this

bouncing bushels of bunnies, you people are sluts.

i think it’s pretty obvious when someone wants you or not. why rush it? it only complicates things. i ask myself, “do i want to be involved in complicated things with this person?” usually the answer is no. then i have sex with her against my own best judgement. then it takes me months to figure out how to extricate myself in any honorable way, then it all blows up (dishonorably) anyway.

so why rush?

August 26th, 2005

Christopher the Pyro hunt n' pecked this

J,

I have no idea where this idea of “complicates things” comes from. It doesn’t complicate things for me at all.. if your not happy just leave.. (that by the way is what women do). I personally find stab wounds and broken windows more troubling behavior then getting some. If you only knew the great lengths I’ve had to go to to keep Christine under control.. (starving and voodoo dolls.. more on that comming in my next post).

August 26th, 2005

Christine the Lioness spake, and sayeth

J… it only complicates things if you let it complicate things. Sex has whatever meaning you assign to it… in reality, it means absolutely nothing. There are people who have sex and no “complicated” emotional stuff, and there are people who are very emotionally attached to others, but never have sex with them. There is no correlation between the two, so if things get “complicated” for you, then it’s because you’re creating that situation. And you know what… if it takes you months to figure out how to break up with a girl you don’t like, then grow some balls. Seriously… the reason she probably gets all upset when you finally do “extricate” yourself is because she realizes she’s been lied to by you for several months while you act like you want to be with her, but really don’t. It’s not that hard to figure out.

August 26th, 2005

Christopher the Pyro mentioned

J,

I don’t know.. about Christine’s theory.. she might just get pissed because your an ass.. or because she is an unstable nutcase.. but whatever the case.. you should grow some balls .

August 26th, 2005

paul the Virgin up'n wrote this

put out or get out…

August 27th, 2005

Ash Sere the Virgin hunt n' pecked this

It all depends on what you want (speaking as a guy…) If you want a shag, then you won’t hang around for too long if it’s not forthcoming. Alternatively, if you really want a relationship with the girl then you’ll wait as long as it takes (why not - you’ll get it eventually, right? What’s the hurry). Plus, if a girl gives it up too fast then they can lose some of their allure I think…

August 28th, 2005

Christopher the Pyro pontificated

Yes.

The chase is important, but after awhile it just gets annoying and gives the impression that the girl has issues.. (which of course she does because she is a girl) but women should do what they can to hide that fact.

August 28th, 2005

Christine the Lioness chimed in with

I think it’s ridiculous that women even have to worry about “losing their allure” or “losing your respect” if she can’t magically figure out when (in your judgmental mind) is the right time to have sex with you. It’s not her responsibility to figure that out. If you’re going to lose interest in her because she doesn’t play the “hard to get” game, or if you’re going to think she’s slutty because she won’t hold out… then you’re the one with the issues. And if that’s how you think, then I certainly hope you never bitch about how women play games or try to manipulate you… you’re setting up that situation all on your own. Ladies, take my advice… have sex with a guy when it feels right for you. Don’t worry what he’ll think because you can’t spend your whole life hoping to do the right thing in his eyes… either he’ll like you for who you are, or he thinks it’s acceptable to judge you without knowing much about you (so it’s not a big loss if you lose one like that). Women are trained from birth to modify how they act to fit the perceptions of what men want. and Ash Sere and Paul are helping to prove I’m right about that. My feeling is that you need to be yourself and not play games or deny yourself something because you think it will change how he’ll feel about you. Be yourself and the good guys (at least the ones worth having) will respect you for that, more than how well you can play the “hard to get” game. Good ones will be interested in you for more than how long you can hold out and deny them sex.

August 28th, 2005

 mentioned

I guess what I’m trying to say is:

1) He wants to shag you and nothing more. Ergo, there is no right time, unless you just want a shag too.

2) He wants a relationship, in which case it doesn’t matter too much when it happens, but if it’s early then make sure it’s damn good to keep him hooked!

August 29th, 2005

Ash Sere the Virgin spake, and sayeth

Anonymous is me!

August 29th, 2005

Christine the Lioness stated

Of course it’s damn good, Ash. And you know what… if it’s not, then it’s better to find that out early anyway, right? LOL!

August 29th, 2005

Riss the Virgin thought this

I think sex can complicate things. What if he’s everything you’ve ever wanted in a man, the guy you’ve been searching for, but his penis has an angry rash on it and a big red bump. Complicated. You’d like to run but you’d also like to find out if a shot can clear that right up.

August 29th, 2005

Christopher the Pyro said this

Ok now… too much information Riss.. you sound like a damaged damaged girl…

August 30th, 2005

kyle the Groupie uttered

riss no one (at least any guy) wants to hear about a man (even if it`s a hypothetical man) who has a penis with an angry rash and a big red bump…… and anyways that bug bump could feal just fine for you when he`s inside…. wow i need to stop now…

September 24th, 2005

Christine the Lioness quibbed this

Well, Riss… I have to say that a rash and a bump puts him right into the “Not so perfect man” category. So the dilemma is solved. And Kyle… while I’m all for men doing whatever’s necessary to “feel just fine when he’s inside,” my dildo has that quality and it’s never exhibited any signs of rashes or bumps. -)

September 24th, 2005

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