ProphetJoe the Irreverent hunt n' pecked this
You’re missing the big picture, Christopher — and I point that out because you are normally quite good at seeing it.
The “have-nots” want a bigger piece of the pie (mo’ money). We could do analysis that shows parents aren’t teaching their kids to be competitive in academics anymore, or that the education system is now focused on the “lowest common denominator” instead of striving for excellence, but the fact of the matter is this: using the tax code and moving money from the “haves” to the “have-nots” (in the form of forced income redistribution) is still the easiest and fastest way to win people’s votes.
Christine the Lioness chimed in with
It may be, PJ… and in the short term that certainly is a means to an end. But honestly, at some point, we need to start addressing this whole attitude of entitlement that seems to prevail in the low-income population.
At the point you’re earning 400,000 a year, your lifestyle probably won’t change much if your taxes reduce you to $300,000. But if you’re earning $70,000, your lifestyle is changed by reducing that to $45,000. And what constitutes middle class exactly?
My income falls in the top 15% of the country, but living in Los Angeles, I cannot even reasonably afford to own a house here. And I work my ass off to make what I make (I literally work 50 - 60 hour weeks every week) and paid a total of $110,000 for my college education (well my scholarship and parents paid for some of that) so that I could get the career I have.
I don’t mind helping people who really need it, but I am truly sick of this attitude that everyone else should hand over money to these people so that tax-funded programs can pay for the things the rest of us have to pay for ourselves.
The “Haves” have stuff because they work for it. The “Have-nots” still have a lot of stuff that they didn’t work at all for– it was just handed to them. And yet, they still think it’s unfair that the “Haves” have more.
ProphetJoe the Irreverent scribbled
Oh, I totally agree with you. I am reminded of a guy who’s daughter was an honor student at a liberal art college and she would come home on breaks and extoll the liberal concepts she was learning — most of which bordered on all-out socialism. Her dad was an old fashioned conservative and she saw his philosophy of small government and less taxation as selfish and short-sighted. In short, she believed he was “hurting the poor” and she let him know it on every possible occasion.
Finally, one day, he had enough and sat her down for a talk. He told her he was willing to apply her liberal social policies to HER life. From now on, he explained, your 3.98 GPA will be reduced to a 2.59 (she started to object to this illogical supposition, but he stopped her) — no, because you work hard to get the 3.98 you should have to pay your fair share to society. We’re going to take 35% of your GPA and give it to all of the “needy” students in your classes who have earned a 1.00 GPA and bring them up to a passing grade level. That way, you’ll be doing your “fair share” to aid those failing students in your college.
She understood and, while I wouldn’t call her a dire-hard conservative, she certainly looks at social policies in a different way now.
Christine the Lioness up'n wrote this
The problem is not with the concept of liberalism in and of itself. If a person is elderly, or can’t work because of an injury or impairment, etc., then I believe the rest of society has a responsibility to take care of him/her. And because individuals cannot be counted on to simply do this themselves, we do need to rely on government to make sure that person is taken care of and the rest of us should contribute equally to ensure that happens. I’m fine with that. The problem is in the implementation by the government. The gov’t has created a system of “providing for those who needed it” that also allows people to decide on their own that they don’t feel like working or they don’t feel like getting an education or they don’t feel like earning enough to support their increasing number of children that they continue to have, and those people are now lumped into the category of the people who really do need and deserve the help. One is a leech on society, the other is in a position that they cannot reverse.
At one point in my life, I was literally working three jobs to try to pay for my college loans, my apartment, etc. The fact that some people are willing to do that and some people will sit around and collect unemployment as long as they can because they haven’t found a job that will pay them enough for what they want to do, or they aren’t actively looking for a job, or they have too many kids to take care of, or they continuously get fired from the jobs they have– or quit because they don’t like to be burdened with work, is a fact of life. Both types of people will exist. But for the first group to have to support the other group is ridiculous.
I think if you’re going to go on welfare, everyone who is still paying taxes gets to read a bio about your life and your situation, and is allowed to vote on how much money you’re going to get from the pot they contribute to every month. Some people would probably bitch and moan about privacy laws, but if I’m going to be forced to pay for child number six, I should have a right to say “If you decide to have child number seven, I’m not going to continue to pay for your bad decisions.”
ProphetJoe the Irreverent mentioned
I agree.. with 2 minor exceptions:
Jane Welfare ain’t gonna have 6 kids before I give her the gong on welfare payments — I’m sounding the alarm at 2-3!!
While I agree with your sentiment about the government helping those who TRULY need it (the infirmed, etc.) I think the government has caused quite a bit of the problem! We have gotten to a point where we tax peoples’ retirement plans in order to pay out retirement benefits… that in and of itself is strange, but that we also have to bear the burden of (i.e. — pay for) a huge bureaucracy to implement it is fuggin’ ridiculous!
The Feds and the major multi-national corporations routinely steal borrow from retirement accounts (be it Soc Security or the Ford, GM, Chrysler retirement funds) in order to operate more “competitively” Worse yet, they underfund the retirement contributions to make the books look better which allows the CEO to get an even bigger bonus — all while the retired workers face less and less coverage from retirement plans which promised a certain level back when they were working.
I think the proper Fed involvement should be to legislate that companies (including state and fed governments) must fund retirement and health benefits BEFORE the stockholders and officers reap the rewards of a profitable year. I have nothing against CEO getting obscene amounts of money for making the company and stockholders a lot of money, but I do object to them getting rich while they keep cutting promised benefits to retirees.
ProphetJoe the Irreverent mentioned
Hey Chris,
If you can edit that entry, would you change the ) to a > on the /strike tag. It will make it much easier to read!
Thanks,
PJ
Christine the Lioness quibbed this
I fixed it for you, Pj. 
ProphetJoe the Irreverent uttered
Thank you, Chris-tine! I didn’t know you could edit my comments.
But now I’m a little worried. I’ve never had a woman so in control of my digital life before… should I be worried? 
Christine the Lioness got all philosophical
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J/k.
You should probably ask Christopher about that. hehe.
ProphetJoe the Irreverent up'n wrote this
Christopher, care to elaborate on her claim?