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John1040 the Soldier (59) Keith the Director uttered
I have to agree with some of the joke, but it appears in reality it’s the democrats who have to unfuck everything the republicans did in the last 6 years!:-w
Christopher the Pyro uttered
Ya, u know… stock market at above 12k, unemployment lowest in 20 years.. and no terrorist attacks.. time for them to do some unfucking..
Christine the Lioness added
Let’s not forget the Republicans’ biggest accomplishments… capturing Osama bin Ladin and getting rid of all of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction!!! :-j
Christopher the Pyro spake, and sayeth
Well we certainly don’t have to worry about either now do we? So making something or someone a non-issue is the same difference.
Christine the Lioness thought this
And yet how Kim Jong Il feels about the political make up of our House and Senate is an issue but the fact that our president hasn’t been able to catch the terrorist responsible for the worst attack on US soil in American history isn’t? Not sure I agree with your detective work there, Norm…
Trouble the Pirate mentioned
Actually Chris, as an outsider, and from a purely observational point-of-view, I believe your statements may reflect a slight plutocratic ?spin?? Merely looking at stock-market performance and a vague figure encompassing ?unemployment?, isn?t adequate for evaluating the ?state of a nation.?
If you break down some of the main positive economic performance differences between the Clinton and Bush [jr.] administrations, you will find that Clinton?s outpaced Bush?s in; National Debt reduction by about 4.5%, increased jobs by 2.5%, and increased jobs that actually provided good wages by 4.7%.
The per capita GDP increased about 0.8% more than under Bush, and the average household income went up nearly 2.8% more.
People living above the poverty line increased 6.5%, and home ownership 1.5%.
Only in productivity has Bush?s administration surpassed Clinton?s by a margin of 1.9%.
In fact, most people polled just after Clinton?s term, believed that he had also outdone Bush [Snr.] in the areas that mattered most.
Most of these areas affect the population far more directly than what the stock market closes at. Don?t forget how speculation, cornering or insider trading skews that up.
Simply stating the numbers above also has little practical value in assessing a country?s performance. To gain more insight, one would have to compare the national debt, and trade deficit reduction figures to the GDP, number of jobs [both full and part-time], and the myriad of other factors that are involved, for both administrations, to even begin to have a clear picture.
I personally have a very strong distaste for politics in general, and I am not an ?actual? economist? But I don?t allow that to cloud my awareness of how ALL governments will use the populaces? ignorance of any given subject as a manipulative or control mechanism?
Then there?s your statement about terrorism. In my humble experience, many things affect how much ?terrorism? is wreaked upon a country, and when it will flare-up.
First however, you really have to ?define? exactly what terrorism encompasses.
Most regular folk LIKE to define it as ANY action taken against them [whether justifiable or not] that negatively affects THEM. This is nothing more than the proverbial ?spin? I reference before.
The world is a complicated place to survive in, and there are three sides to every coin.
A country?s foreign policy greatly influences how it is perceived and received, just like an individual person?s personality influences how that person is treated, it is just on a much larger scale. As memory serves me, there have been notable terrorist ?attacks? against the U.S. during most governmental terms [both Dem. And Rep.]
I don?t think that many terrorists particularly care who the hell has been in a government for the last few years? They have been conditioned over a lifetime to hate another country, it?s people or policies. The type of hatred and desperation required to commit an act of terrorism against another nation, takes a considerable amount of time and effort to foster.
Does a school shooting constitute terrorism? Is it different if a country?s own citizens resort to terrorist tactics against their then government? [i.e. McVeigh]. Were terrorist acts committed during your own civil war? Was your war of independence different from the Contra?s, Afgani?s, Croat?s plights?
It?s unfair to even bring terrorism into the equation? Most of the groups perpetratin? the hatin?, have been doing so for a hundred years or more? And won?t stop anytime soon?
Don?t think I am talking out-of-my-ass? I have narrowly missed being blown-the-hell-up by the IRA several times, most notably when they hit the Sussex arms pub in Covent garden, a friend and I, had left the bar and headed towards Chinatown looking for food just moments before a bomb went off and killed a man and injured a few others.
Dammit, now I really feel like a pundit? My apologies? ?Read my lips? NO new serious posts from me?? :”>
Trouble the Pirate said this
It was a good joke though…
Christine the Lioness said this
Uh yeah… what Trouble said. 
Seriously though… despite your hesitance be actually be portrayed as an intellectual, Trouble, you did make some very good points. And yes, I agree, I did laugh at the joke as well.
Keith the Director pontificated
I hate to be so late to reply here, but who was the jackass in office when 911 hit? oh yeah the same jackass republican thats in their now sending thousands to their death so his family can continue to make millions from the oil. In case you haven’t noticed unemployment is still a major fucking issue as well. As for the stock market we know it fluctuates, and it’s holiday season ppl are spending for one reason only right now wait till after x-mas. Thanx for the fact sheet trouble I wouldn’t have gone to that trouble to show how much better a president Clinton and his democratic party did than the ass that’s in there now.
Trouble the Pirate penned this
Yeah Christine, that was loquacious, even by my standard… Not trying to come off as one’a them thar intralectionals… I’m not a Dem. or Rep. as I ain’t no ‘merican citizen… But we here are greatly influenced by the happenings in our large Northern neighbor, plus we steal all your TV, hence we are often bored by your political cage-matches…
We have our own little microcosm of politics and pundits; they’re all self-serving hypocrites in my humble, yet non-judgmental opinion…
I just think the well being of a country?s citizens, and its foreign policy should be the main focus of any government? I also think I should have a bigger penis? I expect the latter to happen first.
Christopher the Pyro penned this
Keith,
This pains me to say this but I feel you are misguided, certainly Bush was in office (for 9 months) and certainly he should take blame for what happened on 9/11, as should our CIA, prior administrations, ect, ect. The reality is no terrorist attack of that magnitude is planned and implemented in 8 months.
Sending millions to die so he could make millions from oil.. tell me what koolaid your drinkin cause I want some.. that is ridiculous not to mention completely unsupported by facts. What his family owns oil stocks.. hmm so do I.
As for Troubles facts, thank you and you make some excellent points, however I must.. (MUST) point out that Clinton numbers are based against the first bush’s recession and most “serious” economist credit bush one with turning around the economy before Clinton coming into office… the fact that Clinton left bush 2 with the beginnings of a recession.. (NasDaq losing half it’s value in a year??.. remember that… people..).. makes the fact that Bush Two’s economic record all the more impressive.
Then Consider
a. 9/11
b. The tech Crash / Clinton’s recession.
c. Enron, Worldcom, ect..
Bushes numbers are being compared against outrageous growth (the internet boom) and they still are far from bad. ( That was sort of my point that things really aren’t really that bad
I realize Kieth’s bleeding heart over there is hurtin and I understand he is a sensitive guy. Still feel war needs to be approached from a somewhat logical and detached point of view.
Do I like all of Bushes economic ideas, war or general policies no but I do not think on any level he is doing things that he feels are not in the United States best interest.
I will also now spew some of deeper stat’s since trouble started it.
For the third consecutive year, the U.S. economy is poised to grow faster than most other industrialized economies. France, Germany, and Japan, for instance, are not expected to grow even half as fast as the United States.
Since the Bush administration began, non-farm productivity has increased at a 4.1 percent annual rate ? the fastest pace for the start of any presidency since Harry S. Truman occupied the White House.
The U.S. remains the world’s largest exporter. In fact, during the first three years of the Bush administration, the U.S. exported more in real terms than it did during the Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, and Ford administrations combined.
More single-family homes were sold in 2003 than in any other year on record. And the homeownership rate is at a record-high of 68.5 percent ? a full percentage point higher than during the fourth quarter of 2000… NOTE THE HIGHER YOU GO THE HARDER IT IS.
I do not think generally overall any president has power to influence the U.S economy but I do think it is important to state facts rather then just insanity. I really do think all Presidents do their best for the American people, and I also think the shakeup in congress is good for the country. I do support the war and what it could plausibly accomplish. (A U.S ally in the middle east like S.Korea is in Asia and Germany is in Europe - we killed great swaths of those people also)
P.S. Trouble if u upgrade to FireFox 2.0 it will probably help your penis.
P.S. I can see Keith approaches politics like Fanasty Football..he really doesn’t study the facts or statistics. Seriously tho, if you can’t support your point of view with a fact or some non-emotional then your just spewing non-sense. Shouting the loudest doesn’t change history or facts.
Christine the Lioness hunt n' pecked this
Ooh… this is getting sexy. Could the three of you take off your shirts for the next debate round.
Trouble the Pirate remarked
Actually Chris, I switched to Fox2.0 when it was released and enjoyed a subtle, yet much needed increase in penis size… At least whilst at work…
It is possible you were not aware of this because your comments erroneously show me posting from the US using FF 1.0.5.8… And also because you haven’t [to my knowledge] seen my now larger penis…
You will also notice that Christine & Keith are now vacationing in the Cayman Islands… Keith is safe… But Christine is now fair game…
Be fair to Keith… He said ‘thousands’… Which is accurate when referring to the official figures on American casualties.
You made a good rebuttal regarding Clinton’s numbers, I believe in the beginning of his term he also had to contend with the first WTC bombing, which in support of what you said about the coordination time line of terrorist attacks, was being planned from Bush Snr.’s Admin. [possibly longer, who really knows?]
Your country’s steady growth in productivity, has been happening through both Papa Bush, Clinton and Baby Bush’s admins. This would seem to back up your statement, “I do not think generally overall any president has power to influence the U.S economy”… I thought Greenspan did that… My jury is still out on that one… Actually, is it considered ‘tampering’ if I’m having sex with the forewoman?
Your position on the ’shakeup in congress’ is enlightened, kudos…
… and Christine… My shirts been off the entire time…
Alex the Groupie uttered
Ooh! Ooh! I have one.
How do you get a Democrat off your front porch?
Pay him for the pizza.
Alex the Groupie got all philosophical
Oh, and I’m not effing Canadian, damnit! (You probably figured that by my Democrat joke, though.)
Kevin the Soldier spake, and sayeth
Alex I’m ROTFLMAO!!!!
Ben2 the Soldier hunt n' pecked this
The Democrat of today is a Marxist socialist. If any one has read the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx and Fredrick Engles, they would know what I am talking about. They hate the rich, religion and freedom. From Karl Max himself, here are 10 thing the Communist would like to do. Most have all ready been done.
1. Abolition of propery in land and application of rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal obligation of all work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacting industries; gradual abolition of all distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
10. Free education of all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.
“…and no terrorist attacks…”
You do know that OBL can’t defeat this country with a direct attack. That’s why is plan is to do us in economically–not unlike how he and his boys defeated the Russians in Afghanistan.
Christine the Lioness pontificated
Well… isn’t that what the attack on 9/11 was? A direct attack WITH economic repercussions?
ProphetJoe the Irreverent commented
Well said, Christine — don’t mess with the Lioness, dude!
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