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Rae the Virgin said this
Nice post. Makes you think… lol
Daniel the Virgin said this
Constructive criticism:
Felons can’t vote. You might want to provide some statistical backing for your criminal numbers. And run spell check.
Raw vote is the best measure of how the nation is divided. There were blue voters in red counties, red voters in blue counties. Any color representation of the vote, whether done at the state, county, or precinct level is an over-generalization of the vote. They automatically negate the votes of people who were in the minority, even if Bush/Kerry/Gore only won that region by one vote.
It’s a 53-47 country right now, no matter how badly either side wants to claim otherwise.
Christopher the Pyro asserted
No felons cannot vote yet, but I’ve been reading alot alot of noice about democrates trying to get the law that doesn’t allow felons to vote repealed. I personally have mixed feelings on that matter.. specificaly there was an story in “Newsweek” regarding that very matter. Also just because felons are not voting doesn’t mean they are not registered democrates, I certainly am not trying to imply that democrates get any % of their voters from criminals because that would not be true. I agree that raw vote is the “best” way to measure things if everybody voted but they don’t, so there is value in looking at county breakdowns by counties.. I myself at least found it fairly surprising. I’ll see what I can do about the spell check, Christine gives me shit for that also.
Christine the Lioness pontificated
Christine’s Response to Christopher:
Christopher thinks that this blog is based on factual data? I donn’t see any facts in his article at all… so just to set the record straight, I will give you the facts about demographics and party lines… I am getting my facts from an article published by the Pew Research Center (which is an independent research company that studies trends in politics). These statistics were published in July of 2004.
In 2004, the Democrats had a larger party affiliation by 29 - 33% over the Republicans, so while there is lots of red on Christopher’s map, the truth is, there are more Democrats than Republicans. Right after September 11th, the two parties were split about evenly, but since then, more people have registered Democrat than Repbulican. More women are also Democrats than Republicans (33% D vs. 29% R). Among men, the divison is more venly split (29% of men are Dem. while 31% are Rep.). Among the three main ethnic groups that make up the voting population, more whites are Republican (34% vs. 29% Democrats), most blacks are Democrats (65% vs. only 6% Republican), and twice as many Hispanics ae Democrats than Rebulican (40% vs 20%).
Here’s where we get into why Bush won the last election…
Of The Democrats, 22% consider themselves conservative, while only 9% of the Republicans consider themselves liberal, amnd more Democrats consider themselves moderate than the Republicans. The majority of Republicans consdier themselves to be conservative. In every age group, there are more Deemodcrats than Republicans with the largest disparity being in the 65 and older age group where 41% are Dem. and 32% are Repub.
I really have no idea what Christopher was talking about when he said that it’s unfair to say Republicans are uneducatied. I don’t think anyone is saying that… Among the most highly educated people in the country (Those with a college degree or higher, the parties are pretty evenly s;oit. 32% of college grads are Dem. and 33% are Repub. For the group right below– those having some college, but no degree, 32% are Republican and 31% are Democrats. As the education level drops, there tends to be more Democrats, particularly for those who do not have a high school diploma. 41% of high school dropouts are Democrats while only 20 % are Republicans.
Christopher was wrong about the wealthy being split on party lines. The majority of the country’s wealthy (making more than $75,000 per year are Republicans at 39% vs. 28% - an 11% disparity). As the income levels drop, the percentage of Democrats increases. The majority of the middle class population (making $30,000m - $50,000 per year– the national average income is about $32,000 annually) are Democrats at 34% vs. 30% Republicans. The Pew report breaks down the party identification trends by religion as well, stating that most Jews are Democrats (55% vs. 18%) and most White evangelical Protestants are Republican (40% vs. 26%) Catholics are fairly evenly split. Thosse who do not subscribe to a particular religion (although they’re not necessarily aetheists, contradictory to what Chritopher would have you believe) are for the most part, Democrats…. So that’s the truth I invite you to check out my soure at http://www.people-press.org.)
So… I think Christopher needs to check out his facts one more time…
Ryan the Virgin thought this
Actually according to whatever you read, it will be right. Everything has a political swing to it, even if they say they don’t. Just like the ACLU is supposed to be for everyone and yet, swings to the liberal side.
Either way, the only fact that matters is who won in the end right? I came up with a fact of my own as to why the election went the way it did. When you and your party comes off as whiny babies who are the jealous red-headed step child, people will not listen to you.
Christine the Lioness chimed in with
Well, Ryan… because you strike me as an exceptionally intelligent, well-versed, educated, tolerant, insightful person who has an amazing ability to see why a two-party system is key in the longevity and success of our democratic system… I think we should disregard any fact put out by anyone other than yourself… because YOUR fact says quite a lot about you… precisely, that you can’t decipher fact from opinion. But good luck on that.
Christopher the Pyro remarked
While I actually think our country would be better served with 3 or more political parties I do think that it is good that we have at least two political parties.. otherwise it wouldn’t be much of a democracy now would it lol. Don’t mind Christine and her rant about the actual “facts” her statistics are incorrect and I will be posting multiple sources showing her just how wrong she is.
JJB the Virgin penned this
Great blog! You should join Political Discourse, a MySpace discussion group!
Christine the Lioness said this
So I guess Christopher is going to try something new… like using actual sources to back up his statements.
Ifthe impartial, independent survey company’s data I used is so wrong, I’m sure he’ll find a source that is 100% accurate… or at least he’ll keep searching until he finds one that backs up his theories.
Christopher the Pyro got all philosophical
Christina,
Now please relax, I’m not going to find info that backs up my date.. i’m just going to find equally independent and non-partison data. 
And of course my facts will be 100% accurate I’m not a lying liberal! lol 
j/k Christina
AFSpaceVet the Virgin spake, and sayeth
Interesting comments and stats.
ray the Virgin quibbed this
Nice posts to both of you. I think that the lib should spend more time putting her own ideas into play instead of trying to discredit you Chris. This last election really boiled down to a large group of DEMs running around “hating” Bush and trying to get everyone else to do so also.
If they had a plan and if they spent their time putting some real ideas on the table they would have a lot more power when election time comes again. Hating isn’t enough. Name calling and attempts to discredit others instead of shining a light on your own great ideas is where the Liberals and Democrats have failed miserably.
Bush has some ideas and he tells you where he stands and he tries to do what he says he is going to do. Thats what a leader does. Blowing in the wind like Clinton did during his fiasco of a presidency is exactly what we do not need. Kerry lost on his record of being a feather in the political wind. Learn and grow and let that hate go. It isn’t helping you.
I shouldn’t help Dems but I feel so sorry for them….
ashley the Virgin uttered
yeah, Bush is a great leader and public speaker lol!
Christine the Lioness said this
Thank you, Ashley for seeing as much irony in Christopher’s post as I do…
Christopher the Pyro chimed in with
He might not be such a great speaker.. then again neither am I, as for being a leader.. I don’t see him as a bad one, I think he was the right person for the times, I think politicians on both sides of the isle see benifit from the divided nation and that is why it seems nobody can get along. I really don’t think most people are that far divided on most issues, even Christine and I can come to a working solution if given enough time.. (sometimes I have to beat her for days but eventually she gives in).
Christine the Lioness uttered
Regardless of how badly Christopher beats me, I will never think Bush is a great leader…
On the other hand, I don’t think he’s as demonic and self-serving as some liberals would have us believe. I don’t agree with many of his decisions, but I do think Bush feels what he’s doing is best for America. He’s not attempting to destroy the country. I’ve come to realize that liberals and conservatives have the same goal– to do what’s best for Americans and maintain status quo– we just see different methods of doing it. I think liberals feel that the country is best served when each individual’s rights are protected. Conservatives feel the rights of the individual will be protected when the good of the country is put first. More often than not, I agree with the liberals… but I think under certain circumstances, the conservative approach may have better results. I’m disappointed to say that liberals right now would have you believe that the world will come to an end in 4 years because Bush will destroy us. Republicans would have you believe that if the conservatives lose control, the world will surely end at the hands of the liberals. Neither one is true. I was reading on 43 things that a woman posted one of her goals was to “Destroy the Democrats.” It’s sad that people (usually not the most intelligent, but there are plenty of them) get so caught up in the bullshit that their party feeds them… Destroying the Democrats (while it might seem like a good goal for someone who had a lobotomy last week), would mean the destruction of a two-party system which is one of the things that actually works in this country. The balance is key… and the differing viewpoints are what helps the leaders of the country come to the best possible decisions because all opposing viewpoints are considered before a decision is made. I don’t think the US would have had a chance at surviving or becoming a world power if it had been run by only Democrats or only Republicans. So there… I said it… I hope Christopher agrees with some of this… or at least gives me enough time to let the bruises from yesterday heal…
anonymous the Virgin penned this
http://www.esri.com/industries/elections/graphics/results2004_lg.jpg
i hope you can infer somthing about the higher murder rates and larger land areas..
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