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John1040 the Soldier (59) Christine the Lioness got all philosophical
By the way… one more thought… if your apartment manager can evict you for playing music too loud and disrupting the other tenants, why can’t they evict you for smoking if it bothers the other tenants? After all, there are some concessions you have to make to live in an apartment complex with other people. My lease dictates that I can’t hang anything from my balcony– no plants, no Christmas lights, etc. If they can dictate THAT for the sake of creating an environment that doesn’t look trashy, why can’t they dictate that you aren’t allowed to smoke in your apartment? It seems like they could pretty much make up whatever rules they want if they really wanted to.
ProphetJoe the Irreverent mentioned
The apartment owners have the right to ban smoking on their property. They can ban Peter and his family from smoking on the balcony or in the parking lot if they so desire, BUT they have to have it in their lease before the tenant signs it. Peter isn’t doing anything illegal (whereas playing loud music is illegal in most places), so he and his family are entitled to smoke in their apartment or on their balcony.
I think Tim should: learn how to spell and construct sentences, learn the meaning of evil,and take up smoking — he’ll probably forge a life-long friendship with Peter if he does!
Christine the Lioness penned this
Actually, I think Tim does pretty damn well with the English language considering where he came from. But I’m sure your response, PJ, will be encouraging. 
Christopher the Pyro scribbled
“Also… is it possible to sue the owners of the complex for not providing a safe environment? After all, they can’t rent out apartments that contain conditions hazardous to your health and since smoking has been banned almost everywhere in California, the state recognizes second hand smoke as a health hazard.”
It is likely that eventually complex owners will begin to get sued for this, and that might be an appropriate response… however the idea that second hand smoke is extremely bad for someone is mostly just a logical myth, there is little evidence to support this and I suspect this would arise in court. I also have to give props to Tim for trying to handle this calmly if someone said that to me, I would take a whole course of actions, starting by taking a shit in front of his door, paying people to prank call him, hacking his computer and cleaning out bank accounts, flattening tires… and quite possibly burning his apartment down.. it would only be out of my concern for other residents that I might refrain. Sometimes you just have to be an asshole to get your way.
Trouble the Pirate penned this
In the words of the venerable F. Leghorn… “Who… Ah say, WHO is responsible for this unwarranted attack on my person?” Whycomes all-of-a-sudden all the hostility towards us smokers on this blog?
Are Bar-B-Q’s allowed in your lease agreements?
The whole anti-smoking campaign was conceived through the unholy union of entitlement and spite, and has grown fat suckling the pimpled, inverted teat of ignorance…
This is the same concept at play as when they attempted to ban ’spear-fishing’ here years ago… ‘Their’ argument? Spearfishing causes population depletion in fish stocks around the island.
Our argument? In order to catch a fish with a spear-gun, several contributing factors have to be in alignment, you have to have a spear-fishing license [and to be a native islander in order to do this], you have to be willing to do much swimming in a situation where the risk of a shark-attack is elevated, you have to possess a level of skill with the device itself, you have to place yourself in the correct place at just the right time. Once all this is satisfied, you have to comply with size limits and species quotas… This process equates to probably the most selective fishing technique in the history of jerking surprised fish from their natural habitat. By its very nature making it the least disruptive to the natural cycle.
These same anti-spearfishing gurus were disregarding the much greater negative impacts of ’sport-fishing’, fish-traps and commercial ventures, to say nothing of even greater threats such as dredging in spawning grounds to ‘reclaim’ land, clear-cutting mangrove nursery’s to improve ocean-views and raise real-estate values and destroying or at very least disturbing coral reef systems through tourism and ‘anchor-dragging incidents’ to name just a few…
Why? Because by their nature, bullies never go looking for a fair fight…
We few spear-fishing locals are a small group and easily targeted so that these misguided dogooders can get their 8-hours without buying shares in Lunesta(tm)
Likewise your neighbor standing on his last recourse, puffing away on his balcony is a hell of a lot easier to attack than all the other assholes who will eventually bring about your emphazymic demise… Of which you can count yourself in that number by the way, and make sure to place yourself somewhere at the top of the list…
Until you fork out a few thousand grand to retrofit your sprawling-rambler to a so-called “Zero-emission” home, park your H3 and start walking to Starbucks where you will drink your Latte straight out of your trembling hands, start defecating in a composting toilet, etc…etc… AND swearing off of firing up your eighty-bazillion BTU CHARMASTER Stainless-steel meat incinerator 3000 for the rest of your whining life… YOU ARE THE MAIN CULPRIT in contributing to the fact that you will spend your twilight strapped to a little green bottle of Oxygen cocktail… NOT TO MENTION that your finger-pointing, self righteous, passing-the-damn-buck ass is also primarily responsible for killing US ALL…
Get of your high horse, he’s flogged to death already…
Your lobbying has made it so a practice that has been enjoyed for over 10,000 years is now relegated to the same fate as sodomizing midget sheep… To be enjoyed only in the comfort of one’s own home…
The US department of Agriculture estimates that there were 389,000,000,000 cigarettes were consumed in the USA in 2005, that’s the same as every man, woman, child and infant smoking 3.5 cancer-sticks per day… Using these very figures we can extrapolate that there has been a 16-17% decrease in smoking in the USA since 1995, despite the population growth… This is probably a positive thing… But consider that the average smoker produces just shy of 4 pounds [or 5 litres] of waste each year in cigarette butts alone… Worldwide we evil smokers produce 2,800,000 cubic meters of waste in the form of butts annually… What if we start a butt recycling programme? We could have special collection bins, and our processing plants could squeeze and extract all the residual nicotine to recycle into pesticides, leaving behind clean fluffy cotton to be used to stuff throw-cushions and pillows for the homeless… I talking solutions here people…
Christine the Lioness hunt n' pecked this
This is why men are responsible for war…
Trouble the Pirate asserted
You cannot possibly be directing that last comment at me Miss Christine…
Christine the Lioness quibbed this
BTW… we are NOT allowed to BBQ on our balconies (no gas grills, no charcoal ones). The complex does, however, provide a community gas grill for our use of course… you have to wait in line if someone else is using it already. Again… the concessions of apartment living…
Mara the Peacemaker penned this
“Also… is it possible to sue the owners of the complex for not providing a safe environment? After all, they can’t rent out apartments that contain conditions hazardous to your health and since smoking has been banned almost everywhere in California, the state recognizes second hand smoke as a health hazard.”
My guess is that this kind of lawsuit is forthcoming if it hasn’t already happened.
ProphetJoe the Irreverent chimed in with
“My guess is that this kind of lawsuit is forthcoming if it hasn’t already happened.”
I agree — because we all know that any inconvenience/nuisance/rude event which happens in a persons life is the responsibility/blame/fault of either A) the government (who should be overseeing EVERY aspect of everyone’s life), or B) the deeper pockets (in this case, the apartment owners).
And yes, Christine, it is the male’s ability to get pissed off over intolerable bullshit (and you can interpret that as either Peter’s smoking or Tim’s whining) which makes us the aggressive ones… thank God!
AND the sheer fact that you can’t BBQ on the balcony means you should BBQ in the apartment, ala Christopher… 
Christopher the Pyro quibbed this
Exactly.. BBQ in the apartment a few times and they will let u BBQ outside.. or u do like my neighbors.. just ignore the rules all together and make them try and evict you.. in the end thats not worth their effort.
Christine the Lioness pontificated
Well, the reality of this situation is that Tim has no legal recourse to get Peter to stop. If I were Tim, I’d probably start doing lots of little things to annoy Peter every time Peter or his wife lights up. Some might call this “retaliatory,” but I prefer to think of it as more of a Pavlovian experiment… eventually Peter will connect that every time he smokes, I start to karaoke… and maybe his desire to smoke will wane.
Christopher the Pyro said this
Stink Bombs would work wonders… (all tho Tim would also have to put up with it.. I think Peter would get the point)…
Christine the Lioness remarked
Pouring water that came out of your cat box as you washed it out straight down onto the stuff on their balcony works as well. So does buying a treadmill and running on it at 5 AM in your bedroom. The vibrations from those things can make anyone crazy.
Christopher the Pyro spake, and sayeth
That’s what the girl upstairs from me say’s.. the vibrations.. drive her cccrrrazy
Christine the Lioness penned this
LOL.
ProphetJoe the Irreverent remarked
You’d better watch that girl Christine!!
Christine the Lioness spake, and sayeth
Ha! I’m not too worried. So far, the girl upstairs has let her bathtub overflow once and she apparently leaves the community clothes dryer full of long black hair which– for whatever reason– hair that’s not attached to a head creeps Christopher out. So let’s just say she’s not on Christopher’s list of people he’d like to spend more than two seconds with.
Christopher the Pyro added
Seriously. I have “the grudge” in my house.. I’m not a person to get grossed out by hair but it totally pisses me off when I actually do clean (like wash towels and sheets and they have these LONG black hairs clinging to them when I’m folding them up). I’ve been pondering a way to make her hair fall out.. but I have yet to come up with anything remotely safe.
ProphetJoe the Irreverent got all philosophical
Tell me again — why does it need to be a safe method?
Christopher the Pyro remarked
Just remember… love and revenge are two things that women are better at than men.
Christine the Lioness scribbled
I think he meant “only two things”.
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