Ben the Kingpin mentioned

Just out of curiosity, why is this causing such outrage?

Some cultures do not consider dogs and cats to be anything more than nuisances–some consider them food! It is a Western cultural affectation (mostly American) that they are accorded “people-status”.

Thus, when they use animals for bait, it would be no different in their eyes than using any other form of live bait (i.e. worms, fish, crayfish, etc).

Since they are hunting larger animals, they need bigger bait.

I can understand the American mind having trouble grasping this concept, but to cry out in outrage over it when we have much, much more important things *at home* to deal with seems a waste.

October 31st, 2005

Ben the Kingpin spake, and sayeth

Again, I have to ask you: Why are you equating a dog with a human being? I didn’t advocate being cruel to someone. I questioned why it was equated with humans.

We have human rights, for example–that guarantee us the right to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”.

We are distinct from other animals on this planet for a number of reasons–but I’ll wax getting philosophical on you.

I’m still trying to see something to get outraged about. An animal was used as bait to catch another animal. I do the same thing when I bait my hook with a worm trying for that big, beautiful bass that will grace my dinner table with nutrition.

I’m sorry that you see homeless people as nothing more than dogs–but that doesn’t mean we should equate dogs with the same human rights that I would fight to the death to protect for the homeless man.

November 1st, 2005

Ben the Kingpin hunt n' pecked this

Christopher,
While I can certainly understand the sentiment about liberals, because their perspective is skewed so much they don’t realize they are spouting the same rhetoric that we fought against in World War II and lack the wisdom to realize their ways are so easy to twist into jack-booted bigotry–I still must stand up and fight for their freedom.

As I must stand up and fight for the freedom of a homeless individual to choose that existance. And choose they do. Each and every day. They are living out the consequences of each choice that they make.

And this, really, is what makes humanity different than animals. We are able to choose. Animals are nothing more than instinct and reaction–there is no conscious choice within them.

I would fight to prevent the callous slaughter of any and all human beings–even to the point of laying my own life down to protect them. I would do it because any other choice is *acceptance* of human life being considered cheap and meaningless.

The choices of the homeless and the liberals have placed them where they are–but neither are worthy of death for their ill-advised choices.

Perhaps it is the true test of patience that we must continually teach them, continually help them, until they can see the folly of their choices.

And, to some degree, we must protect dogs–particularly since we domesticated them to love us and not to fear us as virtually every other animal in the world has discovered.

Yes, I have compassion for the animal. It’s sad to see a cute, loveable, furry little fwuffy being hurt–but who is out there complaining about the torture of worms? Who is out there complaining about the butchering of cows? (Aside from those PETA nincompoops.) Who is championing the protection of white mice used to test drugs and diseases to help bring relief to humans?

So, please don’t think I’m arguing just for the sake of arguing, nor that I am advocating cruelty. I just can’t work up the same kind of anger and vehemence against this as I might easily find for babies legally murdered because they are born feet first and their brains are scrambled before the head is fully removed (”partial-birth abortion”).

November 1st, 2005

Ben the Kingpin uttered

Christine,
You misjudge terribly.

Firstly, I’m a Libertarian, not a Republican and I did not vote for Bush, nor for Kerry.

Secondly, dogs are animals. Period. They do not deserve human rights nor should our laws that apply specifically to humans apply to them. While my *personal* mores may expect to protect dumb animals from becoming bait for sharks, *I do not have any right infringing my personal mores onto someone else in another culture.* The minute that I do that, I am removing their human rights to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

Thirdly, there are thousands of choices made each and every day by each and every person that puts them in their current condition. Our lives are the consequences of our choices and actions.

Fourthly, “partial birth abortions” are not about “anti-choice” it is about murdering a child that is fully viable (could live outside the womb) simply as a matter of *convenience*. This is a child brought *to full term* and actually *BORN*–except for the very tip of the cranium. Only the absolute *extreme* idiots would defend this procedure.

As for my perspective on abortion in general–which was not stated–I believe firmly that *SCIENCE* should be applied to define the exact moment that someone achieves a state of “humanity” and from that moment on, the human is protected by *LAW*.

Currently, most states have arbitrarily determined this point to be anytime after the first trimester. (”Partial birth abortion” is done at the extreme end of the third trimester.)

Thus, instead of jerking your knee at a comment, sit down and think it through to completion. Reason with someone before jumping to conclusions and realize that the most sacred thing we can grant another human being is to recognize their rights to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”–and anything less from us is just as serious an infraction as Kim Jong Il violating the human rights of his citizens.

November 2nd, 2005

Trenchman the Virgin asserted

Worms don’t have complex enough of a nervous system to feel pain. The PETA psychopaths and many level headed humans are bothered by the testing that is being done on animals in labs. I also understand that there are places in the world were they don’t care about cats and dogs. But that doesn’t change the fact that those animal do feel pain. Frankly I don’t believe a human life to be worth more than any other animal. I would let a human die just as quickly as I would a gopher. I don’t believe that abstract thought makes out lives worth more than any other animals (Feel free to give me crap about that I get it all the time). But this doesn’t mean a humans life is worthless to me, It just means that an animals is more important to me than it is to other people. The only thing that bothers me is suffering. I don’t care who or what dies as long it didn’t suffer needlessly.

April 3rd, 2006

Keith the Director up'n wrote this

Wow the choices to chime in on! The last time I checked there is a difference between animal rights and humna rights and they differ slightly! I for one and you all should know if you read the killer blue jays post I’m no fucking PETA animal rights activist, but I also don’t like to see animals hurt for no reason.

This does exclude animal testing! However in agreement with Chris I also stated in a previous coment my intentions if I was president which I was dead serious about! Furthermore if we can’t get rid of the homeless why not test drugs on them that way we know exactly the effects they have on humans?

So what you will i don’t give a fuck. We have a serious homelss problem in this country, and the fucking president would rather stick 20 billion into rebuilding some 3rd world counrty whose ass we saved, yet that doesn’t want us there to being with or anymore! Fuck the ppl of iraq and other countries who don’t like us… stock pile weapons, carriers at sea ports etc and defend “OUR” Contry to make it safe. Then use the money we are saving to fix the problems we have here!

I have no sympathy for the ppl in those countries whose assiniine leaders brought down the pain that has been dealt to them… If you think you can atack the us and not get retaliation your dead wrong and fuck you for begging us to help build what we destroy! Did England and King George, give us meoney to help rebuild the farms and land burned and wrecked after the revolutionary war? No and yet we persevered and became the strongest nation in the world!

I’m proud to be an American, and I hate to see our funds squandered to help ppl who won’t help themselves..which leads into the homelss. I say fuck the homeless! Why? Because they made poor choices that got them where they are today…we are ALL (white, black, yellow, blue, man, or woman) given the same chances in life b/c we are forced to by law to go to school and get an education. It’s what we do with that chance and education that determines how we fair. Here’s a story…

Last summer 5 of us go to a Pittsburgh Pirates (baseball game)! We are drinking prior obviously, and we had mad a pit stop prior to procedeing into the city. Well i aquired such items for this excursion at said destination! I kept them secret for the effect. Like clockwork we go to the city and park…On the way in we see homeless ppl begging for money. Not out of th eordinary as I have seen this for years, but finally had enough. We get to the first 2 pretty close together. They ask…”got any spare change?” I say, “No, but I have these”… I whip out McDonald’s applications…I say, “here ya go try this it’s called a job” It pays a lot better than what you got now, and it doesn’t piss everyone off going to have a good time at the games!”

Needless to say they were none to pleased, and the 5 of us and the other 50 or so ppl who witnessed it got a laughing riot out of it! Just goes to show these ppl would rather live in a cardboard box and beg honest working ppl to give away more money that we should b/c they are too lazy to take the initiative to get a job! Or were too lazy or dumb to get a job or keep the one they had to begin with! To them I say you can be a lab rat so the working public can be healthy or get the fuck out and go be a productive slave in Korea!

April 4th, 2006

Trenchman the Virgin said this

You tend to form a relationship with family members that can’t be replicated in a pet. If that situation was replaced with a person and dog I don’t know then I would be just as happy that they saved the dog. If it was a random person I didn’t know and my pet, I would be happier if they saved my pet. It’s just how I feel about it.

April 5th, 2006

Trenchman the Virgin remarked

I understand what you mean and I do feel sorry for people who will lose a loved one. But that also isn’t quite what I’m talking about. I already mentioned that a person usually will have a better relationship with another human than they will with an animal. I’m talking about that person’s life, not the people involved with them. If a human, who had no family, friends, and nobody who would mourn them, and a dog, also no family or mourner, were in a situation where one of them would die. The loss of a human life is no worse to me than the lose of a dog’s life. There are people who belive that a human life, just because it is a human’s, is more important than any other life.

April 9th, 2006

Keith the Director mentioned

B/c 90% of the bums on skid row are loners…thats why no one would miss them! If they had friends they would be panhandling together!

April 9th, 2006

Trenchman the Virgin commented

It’s true that humans do develop a sort of connection that animals general don’t. It just that there are a lot of people who think that a humans life is more important regardless of social connection. I guess I’m used to arguing with some of those people I just sort of assume everyone takes that stance until proven otherwise. But, my point this whole time is that ill treatment, regardless of the type of creature it’s aimed at, sucks.

April 16th, 2006